Re: [tor-bugs] #20618 [Applications/GetTor]: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com

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#20618: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com
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 Reporter:  gaj |  Owner:  ilv
 Type:  defect  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium  |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/GetTor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:  not a
|  bug
 Keywords:  GetTor, download links, protonmail  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  |Sponsor:
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Changes (by traumschule):

 * status:  needs_information => closed
 * resolution:   => not a bug


Comment:

 That's great news! The reason is that the GetTor mail service is not made
 to parse multipart messages. HTML mails are a bunch of sliced crap and
 should not be used. Did you hear of EFAIL? Crafted HTML mails can lead to
 all kind of unfriendly things and you should tell everyone who sends you
 HTML formatted mails.

 If you want, read a bit about it:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFAIL
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Multipart_messages
 https://riseup.net/en/email/scams
 https://riseup.net/en/security

 Feel free to ask more questions, but i will close this ticket now, as
 GetTor works well.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20618 [Applications/GetTor]: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com

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#20618: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com
+--
 Reporter:  gaj |  Owner:  ilv
 Type:  defect  | Status:
|  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium  |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/GetTor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  GetTor, download links, protonmail  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  |Sponsor:
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Comment (by gaj):

 Replying to [comment:11 traumschule]:
 > Hi Gaj, sorry for the long delay. Do you happen to use the
 [https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/encrypt-for-outside-users/
 outside encryption] feature of protonmail?
 No, I do not use this feature.
 In fact I am using all default settings in Protonmail.

 >
 > What you pasted above are multipart messages. This is not very helpful
 in here. Try to find an option to disable HTML mails and all kinds of
 automatic encrypted and try again.
 In order to disable HTML, I have just found an option in the ProtonMail
 webinterface to do so under Settings>Appearance>Composer mode, and changed
 the composer-mode from 'normal' to 'plain text.'
 And this did the trick, I now have received a reply from the gettor robot
 containing the links to the torbrowser downloads.
 So the issue may not have to do with encryption after all.

 I am happy to see that this method/workaround solved the issue.
 But before closing this bug it would still be very nice to get behind the
 reason why the error occurs with HTML (the default 'normal' mode in
 ProtonMail) enabled, while other email clients (also using HTML mode, see
 comment 9) work as expected.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20618 [Applications/GetTor]: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com

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#20618: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com
+--
 Reporter:  gaj |  Owner:  ilv
 Type:  defect  | Status:
|  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium  |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/GetTor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  GetTor, download links, protonmail  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  |Sponsor:
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Changes (by traumschule):

 * status:  reopened => needs_information


Comment:

 Hi Gaj, sorry for the long delay. Do you happen to use the
 [https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/encrypt-for-outside-users/
 outside encryption] feature of protonmail?

 What you pasted above are multipart messages. This is not very helpful in
 here. Try to find an option to disable HTML mails and all kinds of
 automatic encrypted and try again.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20618 [Applications/GetTor]: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com

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#20618: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com
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 Reporter:  gaj |  Owner:  ilv
 Type:  defect  | Status:  reopened
 Priority:  Medium  |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/GetTor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  GetTor, download links, protonmail  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  |Sponsor:
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Changes (by gaj):

 * status:  closed => reopened
 * resolution:  not a bug =>


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Re: [tor-bugs] #20618 [Applications/GetTor]: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com

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#20618: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com
+--
 Reporter:  gaj |  Owner:  ilv
 Type:  defect  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium  |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/GetTor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:  not a
|  bug
 Keywords:  GetTor, download links, protonmail  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  |Sponsor:
+--

Comment (by gaj):

 Replying to [comment:8 arma]:


 > Replying to [comment:7 gaj]:
 >
 > > ProtonMail does use the encryption key in the message header by
 default, and this setting can not be changed. As far as I understand, this
 key is always present, and messages to other (non ProtonMail) servers are
 encrypted using TLS 'if the non-[wiki:ProtonMail] mail server supports it'
 (see https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/what-is-encrypted/)
 > > I don't know if/how TLS is handled by GetTor?
 > >
 >
 > TLS is fine and normal. TLS would mean using link encryption, when
 supported, between the protonmail server and whatever mailserver it's
 delivering the mail to. Yay link encryption.
 >
 > But what's happening here is that protonmail is encrypting the email
 message to some gpg key. How is it picking the key? It looks to me like a
 surprising and broken design -- like protonmail is just picking a key at
 random from the internet and making its mail unreadable to anybody who
 doesn't have the corresponding private key. How do they expect that to
 work?

 Sorry, I am not a developer/designer @ProtonMail, only a user, so I can
 not explain the rationale behind the key in the header as displayed in
 ProtonMail.

 But I became curious as to how other mailservers react to this, so I run a
 little experiment: I have sent a similar message (no subject, body only
 contains the word 'linux') to a number of e-mailaddresses that I use,
 including Outlook.com, Yahoo.com, YOPmail.com (disposable e-mail), and
 online.nl.

 All mailservers handled the message well, I could read it in every singel
 account. Because I wondered about the encryption and the key in the
 header, I looked into the 'raw' message (described as 'source', 'original
 text', or in the header, depending on which option was provided. To my
 surprise, I did not find the explicitly indicated PGP section (as seen in
 ProtonMail, see comment 4 of this thread) on any of the headers or raw
 messages(?!?).

 However, the body text ('linux') of the message is not present in the
 'raw' message either. I can only guess what happens (I am not a
 mail/encryption expert), but below I will post two of the 'raw' / 'source'
 messages (I have removed the original e-mail addresses and replaced these
 with gaj@*.*), for 'Yahoo.com' and 'webmail.online.nl', and the headers as
 shown by YOPmail:

 
 '''__1) Yahoo.com__'''

 {{{
 X-Apparently-To: g...@yahoo.com; Thu, 17 Nov 2016 09:02:08 +
 Return-Path: 
 Received-SPF: pass (domain of protonmail.com designates 185.70.40.27 as
 permitted sender)
 X-YMailISG: fZZMqacWLDtpPxkrw_PJ1F_705oX0vwokLJSl6.pAlCsN_Mc
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Re: [tor-bugs] #20618 [Applications/GetTor]: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com

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#20618: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com
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 Reporter:  gaj |  Owner:  ilv
 Type:  defect  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium  |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/GetTor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:  not a
|  bug
 Keywords:  GetTor, download links, protonmail  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  |Sponsor:
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Comment (by arma):

 Replying to [comment:7 gaj]:
 > ProtonMail does use the encryption key in the message header by default,
 and this setting can not be changed. As far as I understand, this key is
 always present, and messages to other (non ProtonMail) servers are
 encrypted using TLS 'if the non-ProtonMail mail server supports it' (see
 https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/what-is-encrypted/)
 > I don't know if/how TLS is handled by GetTor?

 TLS is fine and normal. TLS would mean using link encryption, when
 supported, between the protonmail server and whatever mailserver it's
 delivering the mail to. Yay link encryption.

 But what's happening here is that protonmail is encrypting the email
 message to some gpg key. How is it picking the key? It looks to me like a
 surprising and broken design -- like protonmail is just picking a key at
 random from the internet and making its mail unreadable to anybody who
 doesn't have the corresponding private key. How do they expect that to
 work?

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20618 [Applications/GetTor]: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com

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#20618: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com
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 Reporter:  gaj |  Owner:  ilv
 Type:  defect  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium  |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/GetTor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:  not a
|  bug
 Keywords:  GetTor, download links, protonmail  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  |Sponsor:
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Comment (by gaj):

 Replying to [comment:6 ilv]:

 > In deed, gettor doesn't handle mails with encrypted content. In the
 past, people have mentioned that it could be useful to parse the mail
 subject as well, which could help in cases like these. Anyways, the
 solution here is to avoid sending encrypted mails to gettor (I haven't
 used protonmail, may be it does if by default?).
 > >

 ProtonMail does use the encryption key in the message header by default,
 and this setting can not be changed. As far as I understand, this key is
 always present, and messages to other (non ProtonMail) servers are
 encrypted using TLS 'if the non-ProtonMail mail server supports it' (see
 https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/what-is-encrypted/)
 I don't know if/how TLS is handled by GetTor?

 As ProtonMail does not encrypt the message subject, parsing this line in
 GetTor would indeed solve the issue, as you suggested. Maybe this can be
 implemented?

 After all, TorBrowser and ProtonMail both share similar ideals: privacy
 and anonymity, and in my opinion, it would be nice if these two parties
 would work together without a hassle for users.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20618 [Applications/GetTor]: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com

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#20618: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com
+--
 Reporter:  gaj |  Owner:  ilv
 Type:  defect  | Status:  closed
 Priority:  Medium  |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/GetTor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:  not a
|  bug
 Keywords:  GetTor, download links, protonmail  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  |Sponsor:
+--
Changes (by ilv):

 * status:  needs_information => closed
 * resolution:   => not a bug


Comment:

 In deed, gettor doesn't handle mails with encrypted content. In the past,
 people have mentioned that it could be useful to parse the mail subject as
 well, which could help in cases like these. Anyways, the solution here is
 to avoid sending encrypted mails to gettor (I haven't used protonmail, may
 be it does if by default?).

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20618 [Applications/GetTor]: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com

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#20618: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com
+--
 Reporter:  gaj |  Owner:  ilv
 Type:  defect  | Status:
|  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium  |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/GetTor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  GetTor, download links, protonmail  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  |Sponsor:
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Comment (by arma):

 Ah ha. It looks like you're sending a pgp encrypted mail to gettor,
 encrypted to the key 169A07B337E4D40D. What key is that? And in any case,
 if gettor is looking for a keyword in the mail it receives, and it instead
 receives a pgp block, that would explain why it doesn't know what's inside
 it.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #20618 [Applications/GetTor]: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com

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#20618: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com
+--
 Reporter:  gaj |  Owner:  ilv
 Type:  defect  | Status:
|  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium  |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/GetTor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  GetTor, download links, protonmail  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  |Sponsor:
+--

Comment (by gaj):

 Replying to [comment:2 ilv]:


 > Hello gaj, thanks for reporting this. It's odd, we don't filter
 providers. Can you provide a sample of the email that you are sending to
 gettor? It will be useful to have the raw email (with no private
 information, of course).


 Hi ilv, below the message I sent to gettor (I renamed my mailaddress to
 g...@protonmail.com). Hope this helps, if you need additional info, just
 let me know.

 '''__Header:__'''
 Message-Id: 
 From: gaj 
 To: get...@torproject.org 
 Cc:
 Subject: (No Subject)
 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 00:56:19 -0500
 Mime-Version: 1.0
 Return-Path: 
 Received: from mail.protonmail.ch by mail.protonmail.ch; Thu, 10 Nov 2016
 00:56:19 -0500
 X-Original-To: g...@protonmail.com


 -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-
 Version: OpenPGP.js v1.2.0
 Comment: http://openpgpjs.org

 wcBMAxaaB7M35NQNAQf/es/JBqmQsWsRHd6rzvU2Ic8qvNlfQWCONHpKkH1p
 hbGRz7R0JMMRxQgCufese7tBa18rxJH512ks52VeiGer+UbCRDA4wPWC47bQ
 XEC8ccxWEctBvqW5SNOWvJtNdhLaZZ67MpHyVlG+nWPrEkJl1KwNdhG9gDQz
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 87RKMczp7H184m1HceLFNDiAGmOxrxvk7mPH/lTfs0UEqxtrd6wtLDKBtcVU
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 GtLBCQELs60QTDrYCVeJ6jtKL6U/uu3vTLLSlK0zACcdufwxNa33Uf+7M9o7
 JCV9AFFGUVVoIDUJAdipv8ZrcjYmDG3WtObIpXe8lxVlnz8a6PgExu8U1zdH
 bLmBywsMovZT4N6rG0xYqNFFwNY7ZoMeIetIJACaCXmfExPsHhdFkphDQn8N
 ZhS7XAqPgTPCbWq4NcdzehiSYYchq62GrilxWLmFAfLlagMDUDNonCWiRsac
 63mKVd/3wc1LYg54y9tgBYBsBuBYCKDycxMbU9YAiZ7yzGmzvt/1x4Majrao
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 3fwkrVktmn3CsSL6wXZXcsyb556mGOphOVLba1psiJM0c/VO02bLS6aQDFva
 8sJSEU9tgsgqFPbwnCgLwAPKTF70BZRH16gbxWCbmbAOd5YrKWplhD/6hAu8
 n52RsnUnp6ZO+Y2Em+T9hziqwWLpeaeuXK1Na4l36J545vmzpSjoTU6MOV8v
 JsbPGagvhEob4tk=
 =TGrn
 -END PGP MESSAGE-


 '''__Message source:__'''
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Re: [tor-bugs] #20618 [Applications/GetTor]: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com

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#20618: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com
+--
 Reporter:  gaj |  Owner:  ilv
 Type:  defect  | Status:
|  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium  |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/GetTor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  GetTor, download links, protonmail  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  |Sponsor:
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Comment (by arma):

 I talked to a similar (maybe the same) person on irc, and one theory there
 was that protonmail was html-ifying its outgoing mail in a way that
 confused gettor.

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#20618: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com
+--
 Reporter:  gaj |  Owner:  ilv
 Type:  defect  | Status:
|  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium  |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/GetTor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  GetTor, download links, protonmail  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  |Sponsor:
+--
Changes (by ilv):

 * status:  new => needs_information


Comment:

 Hello gaj, thanks for reporting this. It's odd, we don't filter providers.
 Can you provide a sample of the email that you are sending to gettor? It
 will be useful to have the raw email (with no private information, of
 course).

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#20618: GetTor does not return download links when using Protonmail.com
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 Reporter:  gaj |  Owner:  ilv
 Type:  defect  | Status:  new
 Priority:  Medium  |  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/GetTor |Version:
 Severity:  Normal  | Resolution:
 Keywords:  GetTor, download links, protonmail  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:  | Points:
 Reviewer:  |Sponsor:
+-
Changes (by gaj):

 * owner:   => ilv
 * component:  - Select a component => Applications/GetTor


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