Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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 Reporter:  lolscreen |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:
  |  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tor-hs, TorBrowserTeam202006  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:  0.25
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Comment (by kjuvle):

 For reference, there is a ticket downstream in Tails on this issue:
 https://redmine.tails.boum.org/code/issues/12121

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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 Reporter:  lolscreen |  Owner:  tbb-team
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  |  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tor-hs, TorBrowserTeam202006  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:  0.25
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Comment (by alwayslivid):

 Replying to [comment:22 cypherpunks]:
 >
 > It should be noted, there is DDG search suggestion hsv2 onion.
 >

 Oh, my bad. Thanks a lot for the correction! (As well as apologies for the
 misinformation.)

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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 Reporter:  lolscreen |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:
  |  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tor-hs, TorBrowserTeam202006  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:  0.25
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:21 alwayslivid]:
 > It should be noted that the search suggestion provider that the upstream
 Tor Browser uses (https://ac.duckduckgo.com) does not have an onion
 service, so maybe consulting with them about that as well would also be a
 pretty good idea.
 >
 >

 It should be noted, there is DDG search suggestion hsv2 onion.

 [https://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion/ac/?callback=autocompleteCallback&q=tor]

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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 Reporter:  lolscreen |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:
  |  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tor-hs, TorBrowserTeam202006  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:  0.25
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Comment (by alwayslivid):

 It should be noted that the search suggestion provider that the upstream
 Tor Browser uses (https://ac.duckduckgo.com) does not have an onion
 service, so maybe consulting with them about that as well would also be a
 pretty good idea.

 Hypothetically, I believe that a change like this could give off the
 impression of an additional security layer to the end user, but in
 reality, that layer would be effectively useless, since all the
 suggestions would have to go through the search/suggestion providers
 without the change itself. There's also the alternative of completely
 removing the suggestion provider, although I'd frankly rule that out.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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 Reporter:  lolscreen |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:
  |  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tor-hs, TorBrowserTeam202006  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:  0.25
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by pili):

 * cc: David_Hedlund, alwayslivid (added)


Comment:

 #33089 is a duplicate

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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 Reporter:  lolscreen |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:
  |  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tor-hs, TorBrowserTeam202006  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:  0.25
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by pili):

 * keywords:  tor-hs, TorBrowserTeam202002 => tor-hs, TorBrowserTeam202006


Comment:

 no time for this in near future, we should also discuss with DDG before
 making such a change

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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 Reporter:  lolscreen |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:
  |  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tor-hs, TorBrowserTeam202001  |  Actual Points:
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Changes (by intrigeri):

 * cc: intrigeri (added)


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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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 Reporter:  lolscreen |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:
  |  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tor-hs, TorBrowserTeam202001  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:  0.25
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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 * points:   => 0.25


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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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 Reporter:  lolscreen |  Owner:  tbb-team
 Type:  defect| Status:
  |  needs_information
 Priority:  Medium|  Milestone:
Component:  Applications/Tor Browser  |Version:
 Severity:  Normal| Resolution:
 Keywords:  tor-hs, TorBrowserTeam202001  |  Actual Points:
Parent ID:| Points:
 Reviewer:|Sponsor:
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Changes (by sysrqb):

 * status:  new => needs_information
 * keywords:  tor-hs => tor-hs, TorBrowserTeam202001


Comment:

 Do we know if DDG are using a SOS or anonymous circuits? We should discuss
 this with them before we make a change like this.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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Comment (by rex4539):

 +1 to make the onion the default.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Please make the default on `about:tor` first then on the whole browser.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 > making the default a dot onion provides a great example of a lawful,
 useful onion service

 I agree with this cypherpunk. I hope the change is made soon.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 note: different cypherpunks nym user here than the previous comments.

 is this change planned soon? (or ever?)

 ironically, since any deviation from the defaults makes one's traffic
 unique, choosing to manually select the onion service from the search
 preferences could be argued to reduce one's anonymity

 conversely making the default a dot onion provides a great example of a
 lawful, useful onion service

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Mentioning the reason for why DDG-onion on `about:tor` at first before
 doing anything else is a good idea:

 > This is feasible since only a very few percentage of Tor Browser users
 make initial searches on `about:tor`, thus, its load and performance drop-
 down should be minimal if this gets implemented.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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Comment (by dmr):

 #20428 is a duplicate, focused on mobile.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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 Reporter:  lolscreen |  Owner:  tbb-team
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Changes (by dmr):

 * cc: dmr (added)
 * keywords:   => tor-hs


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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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Comment (by dmr):

 #24379 is practically a duplicate, although the OP argues it is for
 `about:tor` instead of the search bar.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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Changes (by gk):

 * cc: Dbryrtfbcbhgf (added)


Comment:

 #23775 is a duplicate.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Closed #22761 as a duplicate.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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Changes (by tokotoko):

 * cc: fdsfgs@… (added)


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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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Comment (by i139):

 DDG onion should use Single Onion Service (SOS), will be very interesting
 to see this, if Tor team say it to they, they will use SOS because they
 are very comprehensive about tor users in opposition of StartPage...

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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Comment (by teor):

 Replying to [comment:1 gk]:
 > Before that is going to happen we'd need some data on whether DDG can
 handle our load and how large the performance drop-down for searches would
 be.

 In my experience, the onion searches are faster, not slower.
 And they're much faster than Disconnect (the old default).
 But yes, we need some data.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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Comment (by gk):

 Before that is going to happen we'd need some data on whether DDG can
 handle our load and how large the performance drop-down for searches would
 be.

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[tor-bugs] #21483 [Applications/Tor Browser]: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

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#21483: DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo
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 Now that single onion services are a thing it seems that DuckDuckGo Onion
 should be the default

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