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Comment (by isis):

 See also #26638

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Comment (by nickm):

 No, I think the current wording is indeed what we want. The CoC applies to
 everybody when they are interacting "in online and in-person community
 venues" and "in one-on-one communications that relate to community work".

 Imagine if it didn't!  We'd be saying that people would be welcome to come
 to our meetings and harass people, just so long as they aren't on the tor-
 internal list.

 Our space, our rules.  You aren't required to "sign" these rules to
 participate in our meetings, but you do need to follow them if you want to
 be welcome.

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 That's probably a good idea. I was a bit worried because I contribute to
 Tor and I have a moral objection to signing codes of conduct or any
 similar written ultimatum. I am glad to know that it only applies to core
 members and would like to see it reworded to cause less confusion.

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Comment (by atagar):

 Hmmm, interesting. I see what you mean...

 
https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/code_of_conduct.txt#n253

 I'll point this out to Alison. Policies can't apply to folks outside of...

 https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/membership.txt

 Maybe we should reword that bit.

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:30 atagar]:
 > It only applied to our internal developer community. If you aren't on
 tor-internal@ then no need to take an interest in it. :)
 It says:

 >This code of conduct covers all community participants
 and
 >paid and unpaid contributors

 That seems to imply all code contributors, not just core members.

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Comment (by atagar):

 It only applied to our internal developer community. If you aren't on tor-
 internal@ then no need to take an interest in it. :)

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 > No. Users of Tor are not part of the development community.
 What about cypherpunks. Some of them doesn't pass CoC. Should we ban them?

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:5 isis]:
 > Meritocracy ''is'' problematic.

 Not the same cypherpunk as the crazy one, but I want to point out that
 meritocracy is very explicitly against discrimination based on any
 personal trait (after all, the only thing that matters is merit, not race,
 gender, class, etc). It is the best tool we have to fight against harmful
 behaviors like racism, and treating someone differently based on race is
 the exact opposite of meritocracy. Does the code care about your
 ethnicity? Does the code care about your gender? Does the code care about
 your favorite food?

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 I personally disagree with some of the wording. In particular, it lists a
 large number of things you cannot discriminate against and the wording
 makes it sound protection is limited to those groups. I think it would be
 better to trim the list down significantly and reiterate that ''all''
 forms of discrimination are not welcome.

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:25 cypherpunks]:
 > Replying to [comment:20 alison]:
 > > CoC has been voted on and ratified by core contributors:
 https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/code_of_conduct.txt
 >
 > > This code of conduct covers all community participants:
 > What about Users?
 No. Users of Tor are not part of the development community.

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:20 alison]:
 > CoC has been voted on and ratified by core contributors:
 https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/code_of_conduct.txt

 > This code of conduct covers all community participants:
 What about Users?

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 https://missmisery.blog/2017/10/26/people-with-mental-illness-are-jerks/

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:22 cypherpunks]:
 > Shortly
 > Rule1. We are always right
 > Rule2. read Rule1
 I don't know what you folks have an issue with, it's literally a "be nice"
 in a slightly more expounded form. I'd say they did a pretty good job at
 keeping it simple, stright to the point and non-controversial.

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Shortly
 Rule1. We are always right
 Rule2. read Rule1

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:20 alison]:
 > CoC has been voted on and ratified by core contributors:
 https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/code_of_conduct.txt
 Looks good to me, good job!

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Comment:

 CoC has been voted on and ratified by core contributors:
 https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/code_of_conduct.txt

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Comment (by alison):

 Replying to [comment:17 gk]:
 > Replying to [comment:16 alison]:
 > > Hey there folks! I'm happy to report that we did a lot of work on the
 draft code of conduct at the Montreal meeting. If you want to be involved
 in finishing this up before it goes out to a vote among core contributors,
 please contact me directly at alison (at) torproject (dot) org.
 >
 > I think there should be drafts available to tor-internal folks way
 before a final one goes out to a vote. And I think it should not be
 necessary that each of those tor-internal members not being able to be at
 the Code of Conduct session is contacting you. Or maybe that comment was
 only meant for non tor-internal community folks?

 Yeah, sorry to be unclear, when I said "goes out to a vote" I was
 referring to the whole discussion + voting period to which atagar refers.
 I was planning to give two weeks for discussion on the list, but anyone is
 welcome to review it before that if they contact me.

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Comment (by atagar):

 Hi gk. I haven't been involved with the code of conduct but concerning
 seeing a draft no worries. Our voting policy requires the minimum of a
 week long discussion phase before any vote. That hasn't been initiated
 yet...

 https://gitweb.torproject.org/community/policies.git/tree/voting.txt#n10

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Comment (by gk):

 Replying to [comment:16 alison]:
 > Hey there folks! I'm happy to report that we did a lot of work on the
 draft code of conduct at the Montreal meeting. If you want to be involved
 in finishing this up before it goes out to a vote among core contributors,
 please contact me directly at alison (at) torproject (dot) org.

 I think there should be drafts available to tor-internal folks way before
 a final one goes out to a vote. And I think it should not be necessary
 that each of those tor-internal members not being able to be at the Code
 of Conduct session is contacting you. Or maybe that comment was only meant
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Comment (by alison):

 Hey there folks! I'm happy to report that we did a lot of work on the
 draft code of conduct at the Montreal meeting. If you want to be involved
 in finishing this up before it goes out to a vote among core contributors,
 please contact me directly at alison (at) torproject (dot) org. I'd paste
 a link to the draft here if this wasn't such a lightning rod for jerks!

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 [ hello, ad hominem deserves a serious response. girls with opinions are
 scary. derpy derp derp. ]

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 >Go piss up a rope, little cypherpunk.
 Solid argument. /s
 Why don't you ask for that comment to be tweeted by @torproject twitter?
 Tell @Snowden, too - you know what he thinks. '''Next, ask again for more
 people to take the risks of running Tor exits.'''

 Then, read
 https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/the-
 restriction-of-political-campaign-intervention-by-section-501c3-tax-
 exempt-organizations

 "''public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the
 organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public
 office'' clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign
 activity."

 "activities with ''evidence of bias that (a) would favor one candidate
 over another; (b) oppose a candidate in some manner; or (c) have the
 effect of favoring a candidate or group of candidates'', will constitute
 prohibited participation or intervention."

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:9 nickm]:
 > Your three-month latency makes me more and more confident that arma was
 correct above.
 Or maybe he uses a high-latency anonymity system and has to wait three
 months just to catch up ;)

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 Go piss up a rope, little cypherpunk.

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 The filer of this ticket, who holds authoritarian views and self-describes
 as '''"extreme far left"''' and a self-avowed member of the violent US
 group "Antifa", '''cannot be any kind of leader or representative of the
 Tor community''', firstly because most of us don't share those extreme
 views, and secondly because their public behavior sets a bad example, e.g
 constant quarrels on Twitter, bringing a hostile intolerant attitude to
 anyone who isn't politically American extreme authoritarian far left, and
 publicly berating teenagers for laughing. That might go down well with the
 Communist Party, but, in case you are unaware, '''they find it necessary
 for their purposes to completely block Tor including bridges.'''

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Comment (by isis):

 Replying to [comment:8 cypherpunks]:
 > http://quillette.com/2017/07/18/neurodiversity-case-free-speech/

 Yeah, now ''that's'' the way to do it, buddy. Link to a white
 supremacist's blog post. ''Brilliant''. That'll show those politically-
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Comment (by nickm):

 Your three-month latency makes me more and more confident that arma was
 correct above.

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 htp://quillette.com/2017/07/18/neurodiversity-case-free-speech/

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:5 isis]:
 Just buzzwords, false assumptions, false statements and sophistry.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22511 [Community]: Tor Code of Conduct

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Comment (by nickm):

 Isis speaks true.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22511 [Community]: Tor Code of Conduct

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Comment (by isis):

 Replying to [comment:4 cypherpunks]:
 > Replying to [comment:2 arma]:
 > > To be constructive: the right way to engage on this topic is to first
 do useful things for Tor and the Tor community, and then people will be
 excited to listen to your perspective when we are considering things like
 the code of conduct.
 >
 >
 > Well, wasn't the obsession with the 'meritocracy'-thing one of the
 underlying reasons that lead to the *need* of a Code of Conduct, in the
 first place? Either way, I think it's fair to say, that 'cypherpunks' has
 been more helpful for than 'alison'...

 Meritocracy ''is'' problematic. However, meritocracy is surprisingly
 ''not'' one of the problems which led to the need for a Code of Conduct in
 our case; the person who was expelled was a simply a mascot, and—despite
 repeated public claims to the contrary—was not really a productive
 contributor. Instead, what we are saying is that you must have, in a
 sense, a ''proof of stake'' in the outcome of the discussions. While we
 normally welcome contributions to our discussions regardless of their
 origin, in this case we cannot tolerate outsiders with Opinions coming in
 and ruining our communal space.

 Also: Excuse you. Alison is a wonderful, productive member of our
 community, whose work has progressively made Tor into a better, safer,
 kinder place to work and community to be involved in. If anyone with stake
 in the outcome has a specific complaint, that is to be addressed directly,
 rather than ad hominem attacks on a Trac ticket.

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Re: [tor-bugs] #22511 [Community]: Tor Code of Conduct

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:2 arma]:
 > To be constructive: the right way to engage on this topic is to first do
 useful things for Tor and the Tor community, and then people will be
 excited to listen to your perspective when we are considering things like
 the code of conduct.


 Well, wasn't the obsession with the 'meritocracy'-thing one of the
 underlying reasons that lead to the *need* of a Code of Conduct, in the
 first place? Either way, I think it's fair to say, that 'cypherpunks' has
 been more helpful for than 'alison'...

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 Replying to [comment:2 arma]:
 No, the point stands.

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Comment (by arma):

 Replying to [comment:1 cypherpunks]:
 > WTF? I dislike you

 An anonymous flame on a trac thread is not the way to engage on this
 topic.

 To be constructive: the right way to engage on this topic is to first do
 useful things for Tor and the Tor community, and then people will be
 excited to listen to your perspective when we are considering things like
 the code of conduct.

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Comment (by cypherpunks):

 WTF? I dislike you, and I and my friends sure won't ever follow a CoC and
 wouldn't want others to follow one. Similarly, anyone who *would* follow
 it, wouldn't act differently if there was one. ...?

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