Re: [tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-06 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Jacob Appelbaum (ja...@appelbaum.net): 18:10 @cjd If someone (with government hat?) tells you they can make your life hell... I wouldn't fault them for doing what the man says. 18:10 @cjd *wouldn't fault you 18:10 +eleitl I'll try bugging some Tor developers about that

Re: [tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-06 Thread Robert Ransom
On 10/6/12, Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: Yet still, as Roger and Robert point out, there are some serious questions about the viability of decentralized directory/consensus systems. Or, at least questions that sexified attack papers can make to seem serious. (For example: I

Re: [tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-05 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Eugen Leitl: 18:08 @cjd I trust them to make the software right, esp. since I could check if they did. 18:09 @cjd But a little arm twisting can change someone's motives pretty fast. 18:09 +eleitl Maintaining signing secrets is a problem. 18:09 +eleitl They should have used a P2P design. Do

Re: [tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-05 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 12:07:39 + Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: Huh. Wow. I just... Excuse me? Who suggests that no Tor developers haven't already had their arm twisted and stood their ground? Who suggests that those who run a Tor Directory Authority would comply with the man

[tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-04 Thread Eugen Leitl
I've had an IRC session with the designer of cjdns (on cjdns) who made a few interesting points, and suggestions. Comments? Verbatim chat snip below. 18:03 @cjd if you took the components from cjdns, you could build a TOR like protocol which used UDP if possible and made

Re: [tor-dev] resistance to rubberhose and UDP questions

2012-10-04 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Thu, Oct 04, 2012 at 01:50:47PM -0400, Robert Ransom wrote: 18:04 +eleitl I wonder why they didn't choose UDP Presumably because TCP was easier. Yep. 18:05 @cjd you need to fall back on tcp in case you're firewalled to hell 18:05 +eleitl Apparently, they're thinking about it