Re: [tor-dev] Scaling tor for a global population

2014-09-27 Thread Virgil Griffith
To avoid squashing the Tor network with all of these new clients, the company would almost certainly have to run some big relays to help compensate for the additional load. Another proposal would be some sort of incentive for running relays. -V ___

Re: [tor-dev] Scaling tor for a global population

2014-09-27 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Il 9/27/14, 2:33 AM, Mike Perry ha scritto: We could also handle controlled rollouts to fractions of their userbase to test the waters, and slowly add high capacity nodes to the network to support these new users, to ensure we have the people ready to accept payment for running the servers,

Re: [tor-dev] Scaling tor for a global population

2014-09-27 Thread M. Ziebell
Besides the fact that this could be a great opportunity for tor in many ways I see two problems we should consider: - this vastly growth would be artificial. What happens to all the users and servers if they stop supporting the product or close-down? - IMHO it is a problem if the network

Re: [tor-dev] Scaling tor for a global population

2014-09-27 Thread Tom Ritter
On 26 September 2014 22:28, Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: That's basically what I'm arguing: We can increase the capacity of the network by reducing directory waste but adding more high capacity relays to replace this waste, causing the overall directory to be the same size, but

Re: [tor-dev] Scaling tor for a global population

2014-09-27 Thread Ryan Carboni
But, because this is fraction rises with both D and U, these research papers rightly point out that you can't keep adding relays *and* users and expect Tor to scale. Broadcast a fraction of all available directories? Use md5 as a random number generator, hash the ECC/RSA keys using md5. A

Re: [tor-dev] Scaling tor for a global population

2014-09-27 Thread Mike Perry
M. Ziebell: Besides the fact that this could be a great opportunity for tor in many ways I see two problems we should consider: - this vastly growth would be artificial. What happens to all the users and servers if they stop supporting the product or close-down? In this case, presumably

Re: [tor-dev] Scaling tor for a global population

2014-09-27 Thread Mike Perry
Mike Perry: 5. Invest in the Tor network. Based purely on extrapolating from the Noisebridge relays, we could add ~300 relays, and double the network capacity for $3M/yr, or about $1 per user per year (based on the user counts from: https://metrics.torproject.org/users.html).