Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-30 Thread grarpamp
> for v3 support, HSFETCH won't be ncessary... N... HSFETCH is an absolutely necessary control function now critical to operation of a variety of onionland search / index / status / webhosting / research services, and any other basic commandline checks that have zero wish to be spawning

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-30 Thread teor
> On 30 Apr 2018, at 23:55, David Goulet wrote: > >> On 28 Apr (09:34:09), teor wrote: >> >> On 28 Apr 2018, at 04:48, Damian Johnson wrote: >> OnionBalance requires STEM support for V3 >>> >>> Hi Alec, would you mind clarifying what you

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-30 Thread David Goulet
On 28 Apr (09:34:09), teor wrote: > > On 28 Apr 2018, at 04:48, Damian Johnson wrote: > > >> OnionBalance requires STEM support for V3 > > > > Hi Alec, would you mind clarifying what you need from Stem? As far as > > I'm aware Stem supports v3 onion service creation... >

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-27 Thread teor
Hi nusenu, I've just finished catching up with this thread, ticket changes, and the IRC discussion overnight. > On 28 Apr 2018, at 09:30, teor wrote: > > On 28 Apr 2018, at 05:56, nusenu wrote: > >>> And also we will be able to reduce the >>>

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-27 Thread teor
On 28 Apr 2018, at 04:48, Damian Johnson wrote: >> OnionBalance requires STEM support for V3 > > Hi Alec, would you mind clarifying what you need from Stem? As far as > I'm aware Stem supports v3 onion service creation... > >

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-27 Thread Jonathan Marquardt
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 04:03:00PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > a) If defined as shifting v3 to be "provisioned by default" via docs > and function, while *continuing to support v2* functionality > on the network, there's no problem, everyone is happy. > b) While v2 and v3 do share some capabilities,

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-27 Thread nusenu
> Yes indeed. The sooner we deprecate v2 the sooner we can stop worrying > about malicious HSDirs. yes, that was indeed the motivation for my email (mostly because I see how much time goes into the constant detection and rejection of these relays - not by me) > And also we will be able to

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-27 Thread Alec Muffett
On 27 April 2018 at 19:48, Damian Johnson wrote: > > OnionBalance requires STEM support for V3 > > Hi Alec, would you mind clarifying what you need from Stem? As far as > I'm aware Stem supports v3 onion service creation... > ... > I'm unaware of the ball being in my court

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-27 Thread grarpamp
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Alec Muffett wrote: > OnionBalance Forgot to include this in the former list of common / useful onion tools, thanks. If anyone knows of others, feel free to add to thread. > OTOH, I have been performance testing simultaneous

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-27 Thread Damian Johnson
> OnionBalance requires STEM support for V3 Hi Alec, would you mind clarifying what you need from Stem? As far as I'm aware Stem supports v3 onion service creation... https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/25124 See the 'version 3' note at the end of...

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-27 Thread George Kadianakis
Jonathan Marquardt writes: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 04:58:36PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: >> In onionland, there seems to be little knowledge of v3, thus little worry >> about v2 in cases where v3 would actually apply to benefit, that's bad. > > v3 onion services just seem like a

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-27 Thread Alec Muffett
It's not just about getting the protocol stack right, but also the ancillary software environment; people keep asking me for "V3 support in EOTK" and my stock response is this: BEGIN OnionBalance requires STEM support for V3, before it can be updated (possibly a substantial rewrite will

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-27 Thread Jonathan Marquardt
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 04:58:36PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > In onionland, there seems to be little knowledge of v3, thus little worry > about v2 in cases where v3 would actually apply to benefit, that's bad. v3 onion services just seem like a way worse deal to the average user and the

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-26 Thread George Kadianakis
nusenu writes: > Hi, > > even though you are probably years away from deprecating onion v2 services > it is certainly good to have a clear plan. > > I'm asking because the sooner onion v2 are deprecated the sooner some > people can stop worrying about malicious HSDirs.

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-25 Thread Damian Johnson
Hi nusenu, thanks for bringing this up! Filed tickets for a couple things we should sort out before deprecating v2... https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/25918 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/25920 ___ tor-dev mailing list

Re: [tor-dev] onion v2 deprecation plan?

2018-04-25 Thread grarpamp
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 2:22 PM, nusenu wrote: > even though you are probably years away from deprecating onion v2 services > it is certainly good to have a clear plan. > > I'm asking because the sooner onion v2 are deprecated the sooner some > people can stop worrying