Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread tor-admin
On Wednesday 02 January 2013 14:56:59 Moritz Bartl wrote: There is a fundamental legal difference between operating Internet Access Providers and Internet Service Providers. As a Tor exit, you should and want to be judged as a service provider. The key difference is that Access Providers give

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread tor-admin
On Wednesday 02 January 2013 13:34:27 Fabian Keil wrote: While I was living in Overath I registered my relays with the Police in Rösrath (who always acted very professionally and respectful). Good point. I never thought about pro actively informing the local police about my nodes. Will check

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread Markus Drenger
the guys from opentracker told us at 24c3 that they have made good experiences with informing their upstream provider about their activities. that way their provider forwarded all abuse-mails directly to them. events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Fahrplan/events/2355.en.html this might help with

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread tor-admin
On Sunday 06 January 2013 20:35:25 Markus Drenger wrote: the guys from opentracker told us at 24c3 that they have made good experiences with informing their upstream provider about their activities. that way their provider forwarded all abuse-mails directly to them.

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Jan 06, 2013 at 08:20:44PM +0100, tor-admin wrote: Whereas service providers are bound to the Telemediengesetz: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tmg/ Most interesting for exit operators within German borders are: §8 - no liability for forwarded content (compare §512a DMCA USA)

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 06.01.2013 20:20, tor-admin wrote: Access Providers are bound to the Telekommunikationsgesetz: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tkg_2004/ Reading the law it is still unclear to me if a Tor node operator is a Diensteanbieter (service provider) as defined by the Telekommunikationsgesetz.

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 06.01.2013 20:29, tor-admin wrote: On Wednesday 02 January 2013 13:34:27 Fabian Keil wrote: While I was living in Overath I registered my relays with the Police in Rösrath (who always acted very professionally and respectful). Good point. I never thought about pro actively informing the

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 06.01.2013 21:01, Eugen Leitl wrote: Whereas service providers are bound to the Telemediengesetz: http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tmg/ Most interesting for exit operators within German borders are: §8 - no liability for forwarded content (compare §512a DMCA USA) Don't forget