Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-10-21 Thread George
Conrad Rockenhaus: > > >> On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:21 PM, grarpamp wrote: >> >>> never relied on the OS Package of Tor, mainly because OS’s OpenSSL versions >>> are behind the current version of OpenSSL, so I normally compile Tor against >>> the latest OpenSSL. Example, FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE has O

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-08 Thread Sebastian Hahn
> On 7. Sep 2019, at 12:20, teor wrote: > > Hi, > > On 6 Sep 2019, at 20:14, Roman Mamedov wrote: > >>> Where does the security weakpoint risk come from? Does >>> apt-transport-tor/onion service repository availability help in your >>> mind here? >> >> As with adding any third-party reposit

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-08 Thread starlight . 2018q2
My relays track current stable, though I prefer going slow updating unless a major CVE/TROVE lands. LTS is beneficial for many reasons and, from the enthused developer perspective perhaps best viewed as "necessary evil." Rather than thinking about killing LTS, is better to think about ways to

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-08 Thread Roman Mamedov
On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 20:20:06 +1000 teor wrote: > > As with adding any third-party repository, it means trusting the repository > > provider to install and run any root-privilege code on the machine. In case > > the repository server (or actually the release process, including signing) > > is > >

[tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-08 Thread nusenu
> Unfortunately, we still have something like 2500 relays on either Tor > 0.2.9-LTS or Tor 0.3.5-LTS. > > What are the reasons for this? My guess is the top 5 most common > responses are: > > 1. "I didn't know that Debian's backports repo has latest-stable Tor!" > 2. "I didn't see the Tor Project

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-07 Thread Michael Gerstacker
Hi Am Do., 5. Sept. 2019 um 04:12 Uhr schrieb Mike Perry < mikepe...@torproject.org>: > How can we fix that for you, or at least, how can we make it easier to > run the very latest stable series Tor on your relay? > When i started my first relay i had zero knowledge about Linux so i can describe

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-07 Thread teor
Hi, On 6 Sep 2019, at 20:14, Roman Mamedov wrote: >> Where does the security weakpoint risk come from? Does >> apt-transport-tor/onion service repository availability help in your >> mind here? > > As with adding any third-party repository, it means trusting the repository > provider to install

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-06 Thread Roman Mamedov
On Fri, 06 Sep 2019 02:20:00 + Mike Perry wrote: > >> 2. "I didn't see the Tor Project repos mentioned in Tor's Relay docs!" > > > > I was using them in the past, but then decided not to, as it's adding some > > management overhead and also one more potential security weakpoint. > > These t

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-06 Thread Conrad Rockenhaus
> On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:21 PM, grarpamp wrote: > >> never relied on the OS Package of Tor, mainly because OS’s OpenSSL versions >> are behind the current version of OpenSSL, so I normally compile Tor against >> the latest OpenSSL. Example, FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE has OpenSSL >> 1.1.1a-freebsd, whi

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-05 Thread teor
Hi all, > On 6 Sep 2019, at 12:20, Mike Perry wrote: > > Roman Mamedov: >> >> On Thu, 05 Sep 2019 02:11:00 + >> Mike Perry wrote: >> >>> 1. "I didn't know that Debian's backports repo has latest-stable Tor!" >> >> I only looked to backports when I get a warning on the metrics website tha

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-05 Thread grarpamp
> never relied on the OS Package of Tor, mainly because OS’s OpenSSL versions > are behind the current version of OpenSSL, so I normally compile Tor against > the latest OpenSSL. Example, FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE has OpenSSL > 1.1.1a-freebsd, which generates a slight crypto error during the startup of

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-05 Thread Mike Perry
Roman Mamedov: > > On Thu, 05 Sep 2019 02:11:00 + > Mike Perry wrote: > >> 1. "I didn't know that Debian's backports repo has latest-stable Tor!" > > I only looked to backports when I get a warning on the metrics website that my > versions are not recommended. Aside from that, I thought tha

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-05 Thread Conrad Rockenhaus
> On Sep 5, 2019, at 11:44 AM, Matt Traudt wrote: > > On 9/4/19 22:43, teor wrote: >> Hi Mike, >> >> Here's some other reasons that might affect a few operators: >> >>> On 5 Sep 2019, at 12:11, Mike Perry wrote: >>> >>> Unfortunately, we still have something like 2500 relays on either Tor >

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-05 Thread Matt Traudt
On 9/4/19 22:43, teor wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Here's some other reasons that might affect a few operators: > >> On 5 Sep 2019, at 12:11, Mike Perry wrote: >> >> Unfortunately, we still have something like 2500 relays on either Tor >> 0.2.9-LTS or Tor 0.3.5-LTS. >> >> What are the reasons for this?

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-04 Thread Roman Mamedov
On Thu, 05 Sep 2019 02:11:00 + Mike Perry wrote: > 1. "I didn't know that Debian's backports repo has latest-stable Tor!" I only looked to backports when I get a warning on the metrics website that my versions are not recommended. Aside from that, I thought that running LTS on relays is actu

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-04 Thread teor
Hi, On 5 Sep 2019, at 13:01, Mike Perry wrote: >> 8. I am maintaining research or other patches against tor, and rebases >> are difficult > > Again, common? I'm going to guess not common (or self-supporting), but > this does feel like something we could measure by checking for git > versions

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-04 Thread Mike Perry
teor: >> On 5 Sep 2019, at 12:11, Mike Perry wrote: >> >> Unfortunately, we still have something like 2500 relays on either Tor >> 0.2.9-LTS or Tor 0.3.5-LTS. >> >> What are the reasons for this? My guess is the top 5 most common >> responses are: >> >> 1. "I didn't know that Debian's backports re

Re: [tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-04 Thread teor
Hi Mike, Here's some other reasons that might affect a few operators: > On 5 Sep 2019, at 12:11, Mike Perry wrote: > > Unfortunately, we still have something like 2500 relays on either Tor > 0.2.9-LTS or Tor 0.3.5-LTS. > > What are the reasons for this? My guess is the top 5 most common > resp

[tor-relays] Operator straw poll: Reasons why you use Tor LTS versions?

2019-09-04 Thread Mike Perry
Hello relay operators, Thanks for running relays, and thanks to those of you who are moving off of our old EOL Tor versions. Thanks especially to those of you who moved directly to Tor 0.4.1! We would like to transition the LTS Tor to be for use in edge/client/non-relay infrastructure only. We wo