Re: [tor-relays] Quantum Insert detection for everyone

2015-04-23 Thread tor
On 04/23/2015 01:56 AM, David Stainton wrote: > It is possible to add a "prevention" mechanism to HoneyBadger; an > event based firewall ruleset generator made to block TCP injection > attacks as they are happening... yes. This is possible. I could write > that if there was interest from enoug

Re: [tor-relays] Quantum Insert detection for everyone

2015-04-22 Thread David Stainton
>> TCP injection attacks are not the same as man-in-the-middle >> attacks... but rather are categorized as man-on-the-side. The >> difference is important because MoS is *much* cheaper for these >> various (not just NSA) entities to execute. MoS means you do not >> have to pwn a route endpoint at t

Re: [tor-relays] Quantum Insert detection for everyone

2015-04-22 Thread janulrich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for your reply David Stainton wrote: > Yes and no. HTTPS/Onion services prevents successful TCP injection > attacks when the attacker doesn't know the key material... > therefore to make this claim about HTTPS in general seems rather > sketchy

Re: [tor-relays] Quantum Insert detection for everyone

2015-04-22 Thread David Stainton
Yes and no. HTTPS/Onion services prevents successful TCP injection attacks when the attacker doesn't know the key material... therefore to make this claim about HTTPS in general seems rather sketchy given that many CA's have been pwn'ed (and subpoena'ed?) in the past. TCP injection attacks are not

Re: [tor-relays] Quantum Insert detection for everyone

2015-04-22 Thread janulrich
hi, Am 22.04.2015 um 20:41 schrieb David Stainton: > Did you all see this Wired article about Quantum Insert detection? > > https://www.wired.com/2015/04/researchers-uncover-method-detect-nsa-quantum-insert-hacks proof me wrong but wouldn't the use of a HTTPS/OnionAddress render this attack uses

[tor-relays] Quantum Insert detection for everyone

2015-04-22 Thread David Stainton
Greetings, Did you all see this Wired article about Quantum Insert detection? https://www.wired.com/2015/04/researchers-uncover-method-detect-nsa-quantum-insert-hacks These TCP injection attacks are used by various entities around the world (not just NSA!) to target individuals for surveillance