Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-11 Thread Fabian Keil
Moritz Bartl wrote: > On 06.01.2013 20:29, tor-admin wrote: > > On Wednesday 02 January 2013 13:34:27 Fabian Keil wrote: > >> While I was living in Overath I "registered" my relays with the > >> Police in Rösrath (who always acted very professionally and respectful). > > Good point. I never thoug

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-11 Thread Fabian Keil
Moritz Bartl wrote: > On 06.01.2013 20:20, tor-admin wrote: > > If yes the law is pretty clear in § 6 that such a > > service has to be registered at the Bundesnetzagentur if it is done > > commercially. > > The second part of your sentence here is fundamentally wrong. > > In general, when G

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 06.01.2013 21:01, Eugen Leitl wrote: >>> Whereas service providers are bound to the Telemediengesetz: >>> http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tmg/ >>> Most interesting for exit operators within German borders are: >>> §8 - no liability for forwarded content (compare §512a DMCA USA) > Don't forget

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 06.01.2013 20:29, tor-admin wrote: > On Wednesday 02 January 2013 13:34:27 Fabian Keil wrote: >> While I was living in Overath I "registered" my relays with the >> Police in Rösrath (who always acted very professionally and respectful). > Good point. I never thought about pro actively informing

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 06.01.2013 20:20, tor-admin wrote: >> Access Providers are bound to the Telekommunikationsgesetz: >> http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tkg_2004/ > Reading the law it is still unclear to me if a Tor node operator is a > "Diensteanbieter" (service provider) as defined by the > Telekommunikations

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, Jan 06, 2013 at 08:20:44PM +0100, tor-admin wrote: > > Whereas service providers are bound to the Telemediengesetz: > > http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tmg/ > > > > Most interesting for exit operators within German borders are: > > §8 - no liability for forwarded content (compare §512a

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread tor-admin
On Sunday 06 January 2013 20:35:25 Markus Drenger wrote: > the guys from opentracker told us at 24c3 that they have made good > experiences with informing their upstream provider about their > activities. that way their provider forwarded all abuse-mails directly > to them. > > events.ccc.de/congr

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread Markus Drenger
the guys from opentracker told us at 24c3 that they have made good experiences with informing their upstream provider about their activities. that way their provider forwarded all abuse-mails directly to them. events.ccc.de/congress/2007/Fahrplan/events/2355.en.html this might help with tor-nodes

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread tor-admin
On Wednesday 02 January 2013 13:34:27 Fabian Keil wrote: > While I was living in Overath I "registered" my relays with the > Police in Rösrath (who always acted very professionally and respectful). Good point. I never thought about pro actively informing the local police about my nodes. Will check

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-06 Thread tor-admin
On Wednesday 02 January 2013 14:56:59 Moritz Bartl wrote: > There is a fundamental legal difference between operating Internet > Access Providers and Internet Service Providers. As a Tor exit, you > should and want to be judged as a service provider. The key difference > is that Access Providers gi

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-02 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 01.01.2013 22:30, tor-admin wrote: > He gave the advice to register open WIFIs which are operated by non-profits > at > the German Bundesnetzagentur, because this is required under German law for > companies (http://is.gd/vcz2pZ). I am wondering if there are Tor nodes > operated by Germans w

Re: [tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-02 Thread Fabian Keil
tor-admin wrote: > this is a question more specific for the German jurisdiction. At the 29C3 in > Hamburg I attended a interesting talk about open WIFI (http://is.gd/9G8AVA > unfortunately in German) who was given by Reto Mantz > (http://www.offenenetze.de/). > > He gave the advice to regist

[tor-relays] Registration of a Tor node at the German Bundesnetzagentur

2013-01-01 Thread tor-admin
Hi, this is a question more specific for the German jurisdiction. At the 29C3 in Hamburg I attended a interesting talk about open WIFI (http://is.gd/9G8AVA unfortunately in German) who was given by Reto Mantz (http://www.offenenetze.de/). He gave the advice to register open WIFIs which are op