Re: [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Nathaniel Suchy
What if a Tor Bridge blocked connections to the tor network to selective client IPs? Would we keep it in BridgeDB because its sometimes useful? On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 10:02 PM arisbe wrote: > Children should be seen and not herd. The opposite goes for Tor relays. > Arisbe > > > On 8/30/2018

Re: [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread arisbe
Children should be seen and not herd.  The opposite goes for Tor relays. Arisbe On 8/30/2018 2:11 PM, Nathaniel Suchy wrote: So this exit node is censored by Turkey. That means any site blocked in Turkey is blocked on the exit. What

Re: [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Pascal Terjan
How is situation 1 different from 2 from the user perspective? In both cases the user doesn't have access because of the country where the exit is running. A lot of countries have various levels of blocky (for example torrent websites in UK). Is the solution to only run all exits in a few "good"

Re: [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Nathaniel Suchy
Matthew: Built in functionality, maybe, an addon, no. Also either solution is a bandaid to the actual problem that we're allowing an exit with no contact information to censor Tor users with impunity! On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 8:01 PM Matthew Glennon wrote: > Could this be mitigated with a

Re: [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Matthew Glennon
Could this be mitigated with a detection addon in Tor Browser? Detect that the site may be blocked at the exit and offer to fetch a new circuit for the site? On Thu, Aug 30, 2018, 19:22 Nathaniel Suchy wrote: > The exit is behind a filtered ISP. Opposed to a website blocking exits. > That’s

Re: [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Nathaniel Suchy
The exit is behind a filtered ISP. Opposed to a website blocking exits. That’s the difference. 1) The content provider causes the block. 2) The exit causes the block. In situation two a censored user may give up on Tor entirely. Should we allow exits in China or Iraq or Syria or Turkey or the

Re: [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Pascal Terjan
A country's ISPs blocking some websites is not the exit blocking it and the result is the same than websites blocking the country, users of that exit can't access the websites just because the exit is in that country but doesn't do any filtering itself. On Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 16:14 Nathaniel Suchy,

Re: [tor-relays] Announcement: Relay operator meetings on IRC

2018-08-30 Thread Colin Childs
Hi Nusenu, Yes, the current plan is to use MeetBot for the meetings. I will get a wiki page set up that the minutes / logs can be tracked on. > On Aug 30, 2018, at 3:52 PM, nusenu wrote: > > Signed PGP part >> Starting September 11th @ 1:00AM UTC, we will be piloting regular >> relay

Re: [tor-relays] Announcement: Relay operator meetings on IRC

2018-08-30 Thread Colin Childs
Hi Rob, The idea behind the two times is to allow people from different timezones / on different schedules to attend during their non-working hours. Overseas was the wrong choice of words, anyone is welcome to attend the meeting that works best for them (or both, if they choose to). After

Re: [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Thu, 30 Aug 2018, 14:11 Nathaniel Suchy, wrote: > So this exit node is censored by Turkey. That means any site blocked in > Turkey is blocked on the exit. What about an exit node in China or Syria or > Iraq? They censor, should exits there be allowed? I don't think they > should. Make them

Re: [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Nathaniel Suchy
Then assign a bad exit flag and let it middle relay. On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 5:58 PM Gary wrote: > Hello > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 3:25 PM grarpamp wrote: > >> This particular case receiving mentions for at least a few months... >> D1E99DE1E29E05D79F0EF9E083D18229867EA93C kommissarov

Re: [tor-relays] Abuse Complaints

2018-08-30 Thread I
> I've had a "discussion" with a WebIron employee once, where I patiently > explained about Tor. It ended with him making stupid threats, and since > that day I blacklisted W.I. on our mail servers. . > > -Ralph Would that be in USA? ___ tor-relays

Re: [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Gary
Hello On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 3:25 PM grarpamp wrote: > This particular case receiving mentions for at least a few months... > D1E99DE1E29E05D79F0EF9E083D18229867EA93C kommissarov 185.125.33.114 On Thu, 30 Aug 2018 at 22:11, Nathaniel Suchy wrote: > So this exit node is censored by Turkey.

Re: [tor-relays] Abuse Complaints

2018-08-30 Thread Ralph Seichter
On 30.08.18 22:07, Andrew Deason wrote: > For what it's worth, webiron has actually responded to my replies to > their reports before. I'm not saying it's a great use of time arguing > with them, but the replies are actually read by a human (at least, > sometimes). I've had a "discussion" with a

Re: [tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread Nathaniel Suchy
So this exit node is censored by Turkey. That means any site blocked in Turkey is blocked on the exit. What about an exit node in China or Syria or Iraq? They censor, should exits there be allowed? I don't think they should. Make them relay only, (and yes that means no Guard or HSDir flags too)

Re: [tor-relays] Announcement: Relay operator meetings on IRC

2018-08-30 Thread nusenu
> Starting September 11th @ 1:00AM UTC, we will be piloting regular > relay operator meetings in #tor-relays on irc.oftc.net. will you also use the meetbot like the other tor meetings do, so those that can't join can read the log after the meeting? -- https://twitter.com/nusenu_

[tor-relays] Announcement: Relay operator meetings on IRC

2018-08-30 Thread Colin Childs
Hello Tor relay operators! Starting September 11th @ 1:00AM UTC, we will be piloting regular relay operator meetings in #tor-relays on irc.oftc.net. These meetings will be an opportunity to introduce yourself to the operator community, make new contacts and provide updates to the group on the

Re: [tor-relays] Abuse Complaints

2018-08-30 Thread Andrew Deason
On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 14:48:33 +0200 Ralph Seichter wrote: > Automated complaints are a different matter. I don't feel the need to > converse with Fail2ban or WebIron bots. For what it's worth, webiron has actually responded to my replies to their reports before. I'm not saying it's a great use

[tor-relays] Exit in Turkey blocking torproject (komm EA93C), BadExit, Node Subscription Services, Censorship

2018-08-30 Thread grarpamp
This particular case receiving mentions for at least a few months... D1E99DE1E29E05D79F0EF9E083D18229867EA93C kommissarov 185.125.33.114 The relay won't [likely] be badexited because neither it nor its upstream is shown to be doing anything malicious. Simple censorship isn't enough. And except

Re: [tor-relays] log "Is your outbound address the same as your relay address?"

2018-08-30 Thread Logforme
"Your relay has a very large number of connections to other relays. Is your outbound address the same as your relay address? Found 12 connections to 8 relays. Found 12 current canonical connections, in 0 of which we were a non-canonical peer. 4 relays had more than 1 connection, 0 had more than

[tor-relays] log "Is your outbound address the same as your relay address?"

2018-08-30 Thread Tim Kuijsten
Hi, I just setup a new relay[0]. One of the messages I got is the following: "Your relay has a very large number of connections to other relays. Is your outbound address the same as your relay address? Found 12 connections to 8 relays. Found 12 current canonical connections, in 0 of which we

Re: [tor-relays] Test bed in MyFamily?

2018-08-30 Thread teor
> On 30 Aug 2018, at 16:03, Totor be wrote: > > That's what I've done, but what is the rationale if I may ask ? > Personally, I prefer not to see a relay than seeing one down, but this is > extremely subjective! MyFamily exists to protect users from end-to-end correlation. (And relay

Re: [tor-relays] Test bed in MyFamily?

2018-08-30 Thread Totor be
Hi Ian That's what I've done, but what is the rationale if I may ask ? Personally, I prefer not to see a relay than seeing one down, but this is extremely subjective! Thanks On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 10:11 PM Iain Learmonth wrote: > Hi, > > On 29/08/18 13:16, Totor be wrote: > > This 4th relay