Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-12-16 Thread Rana
In my experience this is a common enough phenomenon. Happened to me twice here. All kinds of sites employ “professional” services that keep them “safe” by letting them know when someone uses the service from a Tor address, or plain blocking such surfers. The problem is that these “professionals”

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-12-16 Thread Sam Lanning
Is this now broken / reverted again? I'm getting a "you seem to be using an unblocker or proxy" warning when trying to access Netflix through my US middle relay... On 1 Mar 2016 7:38 pm, "Gero Kuehn" wrote: > > I had an update from Neil Hunt @ Netflix > >> I'm told that we pushed a fix this week

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-03-01 Thread Gero Kuehn
> I had an update from Neil Hunt @ Netflix >> I'm told that we pushed a fix this weekend that should have solved the >> problem - lmk > Things are working again at my end - can anyone else confirm? Yes. The feedback to them seems to have worked and the error message is gone now. Thanks to everyo

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-29 Thread René Ladan
2016-03-01 7:53 GMT+01:00 Jonas Bergler : > I had an update from Neil Hunt @ Netflix > >> I'm told that we pushed a fix this weekend that should have solved the >> problem - lmk > > > Things are working again at my end - can anyone else confirm? > It has always worked for me, using a non-VPS Dutch

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-29 Thread Jonas Bergler
I had an update from Neil Hunt @ Netflix I'm told that we pushed a fix this weekend that should have solved the > problem - lmk Things are working again at my end - can anyone else confirm? -- Jonas On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Jonas Bergler wrote: > Yesterday I forwarded this thread to

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-28 Thread Jamis Hartley
Well of course it is possible to find someone knowledgeable of IT, but the chances of that are similar to that of walking up to a random person on the street and having them be knowledgeable of it. I shouldn't have said absolutely everyone, but the call center people are not trained in IT. The per

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-28 Thread Jesse V
On 02/28/2016 11:42 AM, Jamis Hartley wrote: > Because the support people in the call center are not IT people. They > don't understand computers and were never trained with tor nodes. They > were literally given cookie cutter responses to tell you when you come > and say that you are being blocked

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-28 Thread Nenad Marjanovic
Hi, I got ya, but what i do is running VPN on VPS and all home traffic is going over that IP, not ISP. I don't know if you can route your traffic in your home in this way, but I don't see why not. Only .. I don't have Netflix and I don't know if you have box only for it or you have one box for al

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-28 Thread john saylor
On 02/28/16 11:42, Jamis Hartley wrote: > Because the support people in the call center are not IT people. They > don't understand computers and were never trained with tor nodes. They > were literally given cookie cutter responses to tell you when you come > and say that you are being blocked beca

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-28 Thread Jamis Hartley
Because the support people in the call center are not IT people. They don't understand computers and were never trained with tor nodes. They were literally given cookie cutter responses to tell you when you come and say that you are being blocked because of a proxy. They don't have any knowledge of

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-28 Thread john saylor
On 02/28/16 02:08, Jamis Hartley wrote: > I seriously doubt it's hostility. you may be right. as i said, it was only speculation on my part ... but why didn't netflix support say it's your tor node when i was chatting with netflix support for an hour? or even- we are detecting a proxy on your net

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-28 Thread Virgil Griffith
Netflix engineering should be clueful enough to only block Tor-exit nodes. We probably just have to find a way to get in touch with one of their network engineers? -V On Saturday, 27 February 2016, Gero Kuehn wrote: > tl;dr: Even paying customers sharing IPs with non-exit Tor relays are now > b

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-27 Thread Jamis Hartley
I seriously doubt it's hostility. The likeliest thing is they were looking to stop people from using Tor to bypass country restrictions. So when they found a public list of all the Tor nodes, they blocked them all. Not realizing that only a few of them are actually capable of proxying. For them to

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-27 Thread Markus Koch
I dont think its hostility. For the normal support assistant security and/or TOR is like a black hole and they do not know anything about it or know stuff from the mainstream press which is mostly complete bullshit. I would not blame the support person, try to get a supervisor who knows what we are

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-27 Thread john saylor
hi On 02/26/16 18:42, Gero Kuehn wrote: > tl;dr: Even paying customers sharing IPs with non-exit Tor relays are now > blocked from accessing Netflix yes, this has just happened to me. i spent an hour yesterday in a chat with netflix customer service and never once was tor mentioned. i signed in

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-27 Thread Steven Jones
I can attest to this, several weeks ago I was running a tor relay from home and netflix dissappeared, after going through the song and dance routine with support I decided it wasnt worth the hassle, so my relay is now on a french vps. fortunately for me i own several ip's so it wasn't a real issue

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-27 Thread Jonas Bergler
Yesterday I forwarded this thread to Neil Hunt - the Chief Product Officer at Netflix with the hope that he would read it and have received the following reply a few hours ago. Noted - this will go to the right technical people. > I'm hoping this is a sign Netflix will take this seriously. -- Jo

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-27 Thread tor_manager
Hi everyone, apparently this is happening with a lot of relays node (My italian relay node was blocked too) https://www.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/472kqu/netflix_started_blocking_tor_relayonly_nodes/ As Roger said we have to try to identify someone inside Netflix to pitch "our cause", on the

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-26 Thread Gero Kuehn
Hello Jonas ! > You mention an 'official response from Netflix' - are you willing to share > this? Unfortunately this is nothing I got in writing yet after only 2 days. At the beginning of the last call, I heard a "this call might be recorded" announcement. When I realized that they are not wi

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-26 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 12:42:38AM +0100, Gero Kuehn wrote: > They did however not > leave the impression that they a) care or b) intend to fix this at some > point by parsing the Tor network information properly instead of using > whatever cheap&wrong hack they use now. There is actually a servi

Re: [tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-26 Thread Jonas Bergler
I've also had several extensive conversations with Netflix support about this but haven't received an answer beyond a generic 'there is a problem with your router' type response. You mention an 'official response from Netflix' - are you willing to share this? Mostly I'm interested if this respons

[tor-relays] Netflix overblocking non-exit Tor relays

2016-02-26 Thread Gero Kuehn
tl;dr: Even paying customers sharing IPs with non-exit Tor relays are now blocked from accessing Netflix Hello everyone ! After two very fruitless attempts to get the issue silently resolved through proper Netflix support channels, the time has come to make this public. As some of you have probab