Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-09-02 Thread tor
I feel like you are SO missing the point. Making Tor block morally horrible things does not involve telling exit notes to block traffic to known porn sites. The porn sites with the boobies that someone might hit on port 80 on the public internet represent the Catholic Church of porn,

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-09-01 Thread sustain_ability
I'm not sure if this applies but - [1]http://thenextweb.com/asia/2013/08/01/vietnam-adopts-regulations-to- ban-internet-users-from-sharing-news-reports-online/ Sustain On Sun, Sep 1, 2013, at 05:43 PM, Jon Gardner wrote: On Aug 28, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote:

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-31 Thread grarpamp
This is why we need to implement extended exit flags for exits that want to run post-exit filtering/enhancement policies, say for example noporn that way we can get all the religious groups dumping their tithes into not just beaming reruns of the 700 club around the world, but a pile of

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-31 Thread Steve Snyder
On 08/30/2013 08:05 PM, Andrea Shepard wrote: [snip] If I were going to work on filtering by technical means, it'd be filters to keep neo-Puritans like you out of my life, thanks. Well said. This whole thread is example 87653478965432 of the censorship is A-OK if I don't like it mindset.

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-31 Thread tor
This thread did go goofy and bad (and off-topic, given the subject in the emails). It seems clear that there are important reasons Tor could never begin examining/taking direct responsibility for/filtering the content that flows through it (as opposed with disallowing specific ports, which is

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-28 Thread mick
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 07:22:16 +0200 Andreas Krey a.k...@gmx.de allegedly wrote: On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:12:01 +, Tor Exit wrote: GET /index.php?file=../../../../../../../etc/passwd Why not employ similar techniques on a Tor exit? We can be 100% sure about the malicious intent.

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-28 Thread mick
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:34:13 -0700 Andy Isaacson a...@hexapodia.org allegedly wrote: If only there were a separate TCP port for HTTP-with-Porn and all the pornographers used it, then an exit policy for HTTP-without-porn would be possible. But alas, we don't even have vague agreement on

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-28 Thread lee colleton
HTTP-without-porn should be called BurkaHTTP. I'm sure there's a backronym that will fit… On Aug 28, 2013 4:15 AM, mick m...@rlogin.net wrote: On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 19:34:13 -0700 Andy Isaacson a...@hexapodia.org allegedly wrote: If only there were a separate TCP port for HTTP-with-Porn and

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-28 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/27/2013 05:12 PM, Tor Exit wrote: Why is it so bad if a Tor exit operator tries to match the use of their node with their own moral beliefs? Exercising one's moral beliefs can censor others. It would make it implicitly okay for exit node

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-28 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:12:01PM +0200, Tor Exit wrote: Why is it so bad if a Tor exit operator tries to match the use of their node with their own moral beliefs? I really would like to support this if I could. Specifically, I'd love a way for exit relay operators to only allow people to do

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-27 Thread Jon Gardner
On Aug 22, 2013, at 11:56 AM, mick m...@rlogin.net wrote: The other thing that I am weighing is just a moral question regarding misuse of the Tor network for despicable things like child porn. I understand that of all the traffic it is a small percentage and that ISPs essentially face the

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-27 Thread Andreas Krey
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:08:34 +, Jon Gardner wrote: ... Then why have exit policies? To keep spammers at bay (or getting your exit blacklisted); to keep traffic at bay (bittorrent), to keep law harrassment at bay (again bittorrent, others as well). Exit nodes regularly block unwelcome

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-27 Thread Vincent Yu
On 08/28/2013 12:08 AM, Jon Gardner wrote: Then why have exit policies? Exit nodes regularly block unwelcome traffic like bittorrent, and there's only a slight functional difference between that and using a filter in front of the node to block things like porn (which, come to think of it,

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-27 Thread mick
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:08:34 -0500 Jon Gardner j...@brazoslink.net allegedly wrote: On Aug 22, 2013, at 11:56 AM, mick m...@rlogin.net wrote: Tor is neutral. You and I may agree that certain usage is unwelcome, even abhorrent, but we cannot dictate how others may use an anonymising

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-27 Thread Tor Exit
The Tor devs go to great lengths to try to keep evil governments from using Tor against itself. Why not devote some effort toward keeping evil traffic off of Tor? I agree. Why not block the most obvious abuse? All professional Apache webservers install a module named 'mod_secure' that will

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-27 Thread krishna e bera
On 13-08-27 05:12 PM, Tor Exit wrote: The Tor devs go to great lengths to try to keep evil governments from using Tor against itself. Why not devote some effort toward keeping evil traffic off of Tor? I agree. Why not block the most obvious abuse? All professional Apache webservers

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-27 Thread Andy Isaacson
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:08:34AM -0500, Jon Gardner wrote: Then why have exit policies? Exit nodes regularly block unwelcome traffic like bittorrent, and there's only a slight functional difference between that and using a filter in front of the node to block things like porn The exit

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-27 Thread Andreas Krey
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 23:12:01 +, Tor Exit wrote: GET /index.php?file=../../../../../../../etc/passwd Why not employ similar techniques on a Tor exit? We can be 100% sure about the malicious intent. No, you can't be sure. That request could quite well be totally legitimate; you are not

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-22 Thread Lukas Erlacher
You cannot make Tor resistant to evil usage. Evil usage is defined by your personal morals on one level, and by governments via the laws the enact and prosecute on the other level. Tor's raison d'etre is to allow people to use the internet freely when their personal morals and their government's

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-22 Thread Paul Staroch
Am 2013-08-22 17:28, schrieb Lukas Erlacher: You could put a censoring proxy in front of your exit node. But that would defeat the purpose of Tor entirely... ... and will eventually lead to your relay being flagged as a bad exit node. Tampering with exit traffic is strongly discouraged [1].

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-22 Thread mick
On Thu, 22 Aug 2013 08:45:33 -0500 a432511 a432...@mail49.org allegedly wrote: I just spun up 2 relays (1 exit, 1 non-exit) in Amsterdam using DigitalOcean as the VPS provider. It's been up for about 8 hours now. Here was the message I sent to them regarding the servers: I have three

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-22 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 22.08.2013 15:45, a432511 wrote: I just spun up 2 relays (1 exit, 1 non-exit) in Amsterdam using DigitalOcean as the VPS provider. It's been up for about 8 hours now. Thank you and good luck! While in the future there may be a precedent that grants safe-harbor status to TOR exit nodes,

Re: [tor-relays] new relays

2013-08-22 Thread Stracci Pwns
: Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:02:12 PM Subject: Re: [tor-relays] new relays On 22.08.2013 15:45, a432511 wrote: I just spun up 2 relays (1 exit, 1 non-exit) in Amsterdam using DigitalOcean as the VPS provider. It's been up for about 8 hours now. Thank you and good luck! While in the future