Re: [tor-talk] Ideas to securely implement PGP encryption/decryption

2011-10-10 Thread Mike Perry
I more or less give this plan my stamp of approval. Just mind the gaps, and careful with NPAPI! I am able to review and advise XUL+XPCOM code for security.. But for NPAPI, we'll need someone else. Anyone on-list have any expertise with processing untrusted DOM data in NPAPI, and then rendering out

Re: [tor-talk] Ideas to securely implement PGP encryption/decryption

2011-10-10 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Moritz Bartl (mor...@torservers.net): > On 10.10.2011 22:29, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > > No code coming from the web would be allowed to interact with the > > plug-in but the end-user will still have all the encryption features > > under his power, usable in a modern web-based w

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: Usability Improvement Proposal (windows)

2011-10-10 Thread andrew
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 09:54:50PM +0200, li...@infosecurity.ch wrote 2.2K bytes in 64 lines about: : By using that approach the user will not have the feeling of no : "technical" decision has to be taken by the user in order to use Tor, no : stopping-fear of breaking something, no compression/ext

Re: [tor-talk] Ideas to securely implement PGP encryption/decryption

2011-10-10 Thread Robert Ransom
On 2011-10-10, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > Hi all, > > i understand all the doubt from Mike and Ransom about the possible > exposure of user's security trough the exposure of functionality that > can be "called by a remote web-application". > > This is an idea to mitigate most possible secur

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: Usability Improvement Proposal (windows)

2011-10-10 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 10/10/2011 2:54 PM, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: Hi all, i would like to propose some usability improvement for TorBrowserBundle for Windows, in order to make it more usable. There are a lot of users that "are not even able to install firefox". Fabio, I understand your idea is well int

Re: [tor-talk] Ideas to securely implement PGP encryption/decryption

2011-10-10 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 10.10.2011 22:29, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > No code coming from the web would be allowed to interact with the > plug-in but the end-user will still have all the encryption features > under his power, usable in a modern web-based world. The problem Robert and katmagic are referring to (r

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: Usability Improvement Proposal (windows)

2011-10-10 Thread Julian Yon
On 10/10/11 22:18, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > Yes,but please consider that TorBrowserBundle/OSX already required only > 3 clicks from download to start: So? That's just how you install stuff on OSX. It makes no difference to my point. A naïve user who thinks they're anonymous but actually i

Re: [tor-talk] WSJ- Google- Sonic Mr. Applebaum

2011-10-10 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2011-10-10 22:27 , Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 07:07:35PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: >> On 2011-10-10 18:42 , Andre Risling wrote: >>> Here's how Google is a compliant slave. >>> >>> You still use Gmail?! >> >> Does not matter what service you use, they all fail under the pre

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: Usability Improvement Proposal (windows)

2011-10-10 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
On 10/10/11 11:01 PM, Julian Yon wrote: > On 10/10/11 20:54, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: >> Really dumb users > > You can make things too simple. Tor is not a silver bullet. A user who > is so "dumb" (as you put it) as to not be able to install a simple piece > of software will almost certainl

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: Usability Improvement Proposal (windows)

2011-10-10 Thread Julian Yon
On 10/10/11 20:54, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > Really dumb users You can make things too simple. Tor is not a silver bullet. A user who is so "dumb" (as you put it) as to not be able to install a simple piece of software will almost certainly be a liability to themselves. Unfortunately, wher

Re: [tor-talk] Fwd: Tor Browser Bundle: PGP encryption built-in?

2011-10-10 Thread Robert Ransom
On 2011-10-10, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > Hi Kyle and Aaron, > > let me answer to you by making in Cc the tor-talk mailing lists where > there is an on-going discussion about it. > > It has been suggested that FireGPG is unsafe > (https://tails.boum.org/bugs/FireGPG_may_be_unsafe/), your ap

Re: [tor-talk] WSJ- Google- Sonic Mr. Applebaum

2011-10-10 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 07:07:35PM +0200, Jeroen Massar wrote: > On 2011-10-10 18:42 , Andre Risling wrote: > > Here's how Google is a compliant slave. > > > > You still use Gmail?! > > Does not matter what service you use, they all fail under the pressure Use your own servers at the co-lo. Us

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: PGP encryption built-in?

2011-10-10 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Arturo Filastò (a...@globaleaks.org): > I actually think it would be a great idea to include PGP encryption > support into the browser. > I remember discussing this with Jake some time ago of maybe in the > future having a bundle for Thunderbird and enigmail. I don't see why it > it a b

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: PGP encryption built-in?

2011-10-10 Thread Kyle L. Huff
On 10/10/2011 01:07 PM, Mike Perry wrote: The problem with a browser extension is that the very thing that makes it useful is what makes it so risky. A GPG plugin of any kind becomes a vector for all sorts of nasty web attacks that would have normally been stopped by the server, such as XSS, XSRF

[tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: Usability Improvement Proposal (windows)

2011-10-10 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Hi all, i would like to propose some usability improvement for TorBrowserBundle for Windows, in order to make it more usable. Reduce to 3-clicks the requirements to use TorBrowserBundle on Windows. Today the Tor Browser Bundle require the user to make several action before using it that can repr

[tor-talk] Ideas to securely implement PGP encryption/decryption

2011-10-10 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Hi all, i understand all the doubt from Mike and Ransom about the possible exposure of user's security trough the exposure of functionality that can be "called by a remote web-application". This is an idea to mitigate most possible security issues: * Put the encryption functionality into the han

Re: [tor-talk] Fwd: Tor Browser Bundle: PGP encryption built-in?

2011-10-10 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
On 10/10/11 6:44 PM, Kyle L. Huff wrote: > Another, more narrow approach would be to enforce within the plug-in > that the URL of the page that the plug-in is embedded on must match the > extension path. For example, the plug-in could detect if it was loaded > on a page with the URL containing > "c

Re: [tor-talk] WSJ- Google- Sonic Mr. Applebaum

2011-10-10 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2011-10-10 18:42 , Andre Risling wrote: > Here's how Google is a compliant slave. > > You still use Gmail?! Does not matter what service you use, they all fail under the pressure of organizations that want access to it, be that legal or illegal. (The bigger problem with the context of the ar

[tor-talk] Finding a hidden service with the private_key file

2011-10-10 Thread hikki
I just heard that if the private_key file of your hidden service would have gotten in the hands of an attacker, he could have located your hidden service just like that. I just wonder how that can be done, since it's just a file with encrypted code in it.

[tor-talk] Comcast Residential - terms of service

2011-10-10 Thread Gregg Nicholas
I wanted to support the idea of free speech for people in repressed countries.  However, shortly after installing TOR, Comcast threatened to force me to a business account (extra $12/month).  So, I've killed my node.  Still don't know if Comcast will force some penalty on me. I'd switch to another

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: PGP encryption built-in?

2011-10-10 Thread Arturo Filastò
On 10/10/11 9:44 AM, Robert Ransom wrote: > On 2011-10-10, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: >> is anyone evaluating whenever to include PGP encryption support into the >> default Tor Browser Bundle as a Firefox extension? > No. > I actually think it would be a great idea to include PGP encryption s

[tor-talk] WSJ- Google- Sonic Mr. Applebaum

2011-10-10 Thread Andre Risling
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Re: [tor-talk] Fwd: Tor Browser Bundle: PGP encryption built-in?

2011-10-10 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
Hi Kyle and Aaron, let me answer to you by making in Cc the tor-talk mailing lists where there is an on-going discussion about it. It has been suggested that FireGPG is unsafe (https://tails.boum.org/bugs/FireGPG_may_be_unsafe/), your approach by design sounds very nice. I am wondering whether i

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: PGP encryption built-in?

2011-10-10 Thread Julian Yon
On 10/10/11 13:48, Joe Btfsplk wrote: >> tails.boum.org uses an invalid security certificate. > Anyone else seeing same security msg? Well done, you've found the flaw in the PKI model. Julian -- 3072D/D2DE707D Julian Yon (2011 General Use) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signatu

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: PGP encryption built-in?

2011-10-10 Thread Sebastian Hahn
On Oct 10, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Joe Btfsplk wrote: > On 10/10/2011 2:44 AM, Robert Ransom wrote: >> No. See https://tails.boum.org/bugs/FireGPG_may_be_unsafe/ , but beware -- >> I'm sure katmagic and I missed a few dozen attacks. > You're correct - that is, the https site you link has an unsafe cer

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: PGP encryption built-in?

2011-10-10 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 10/10/2011 2:44 AM, Robert Ransom wrote: No. See https://tails.boum.org/bugs/FireGPG_may_be_unsafe/ , but beware -- I'm sure katmagic and I missed a few dozen attacks. You're correct - that is, the https site you link has an unsafe certificate, * per msg * in Firefox 7: tails.boum.org uses a

Re: [tor-talk] Tor Browser Bundle: PGP encryption built-in?

2011-10-10 Thread Robert Ransom
On 2011-10-10, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: > is anyone evaluating whenever to include PGP encryption support into the > default Tor Browser Bundle as a Firefox extension? No. > I looked at the implementation and: > > * FireGPG it's discontinued http://getfiregpg.org/s/install > It also see