Re: [tor-talk] Anonymizing middlebox - What's the function of VirtualAddrNetwork config option?

2012-08-10 Thread Noel Pluny
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 05:39:29PM +, adrelanos wrote: Sorry for the delay but it is august. I read these articles but at this time I don't think they will apply to my situation because this is a friendly one. I don't understand. I don't really need a captive portal because I can

[tor-talk] Updated Tor Cloud images, includes fix for Tor package upgrades

2012-08-10 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
Hi everyone, The Tor Cloud [1] images for all the seven regions have been updated to include the latest cloud image for stable Ubuntu release 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx). These new images are available on the Tor Cloud website. The new images include a fix to allow Tor to upgrade automatically

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread tor-admin
On Thursday, August 9. 2012, 23:23:52 adrelanos wrote: And/or a port or destination IP wise statistic. Just checked exit port stats of one of my relays. 97 % are HTTPS/HTTP. Regards ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread adrelanos
tor-admin: On Thursday, August 9. 2012, 23:23:52 adrelanos wrote: And/or a port or destination IP wise statistic. Just checked exit port stats of one of my relays. 97 % are HTTPS/HTTP. Interesting. Thanks! Mind telling what kind of exit policy you are using? I mean, on a restrictive exit

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Philipp Winter
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 11:23:52PM +, adrelanos wrote: I'd be also interested in a top50, 100, 1000, x of regular Tor exit traffic. The following two papers took a look at that, among other things: http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#mccoy-pet2008 http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#huber2010tor

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 00:47:26 +0300 Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su wrote: The “Tor users” page isn't presented as a promotional page, it is presented as a factual one. I also remember discussion on this list where I expressed doubt about some aspects listed there (military uses), and the overall

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread With Weather Eye Open
Original Message Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 02:00:39 +0300 From: Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su Yes, if gathering .onion access statistics were possible, I would load each .onion address in a top-50 list and see what it contains, or search for the address if access requires

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Maxim Kammerer (m...@dee.su): On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Andrew Lewman and...@torproject.is wrote: How would you have us promote Tor? The “Tor users” page isn't presented as a promotional page, it is presented as a factual one. I also remember discussion on this list where

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 5:26 PM, With Weather Eye Open w...@safe-mail.net wrote: It is, in fact, difficult to do just by the nature of how Tor functions. Even if you were logging everything that came out of an exit node that you control, you wouldn't be able to get good stats from that.

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Juan Garofalo
At 10:26 AM 8/10/2012 -0400, you wrote: Original Message Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 02:00:39 +0300 From: Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su Yes, if gathering .onion access statistics were possible, I would load each .onion address in a top-50 list and see what it contains, or search

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Juan Garofalo
At 12:01 PM 8/10/2012 -0700, you wrote: Tor is a relatively new and underdeveloped technology, used exclusively by early adopters, technophiles, weirdos, and people who really really need it. We don't advertise. We're not in stores. This is because we're pretty much still in the prototype stage.

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: For example, in terms of number of users, I'd wager a top current demographic is Paranoid Schizophrenic. If it's not #1, it's gotta be top 5. The more general category Antisocial tendencies is probably another top 5.

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread With Weather Eye Open
Original Message Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 22:21:18 +0300 From: Maxim Kammerer m...@dee.su That's not true, but it shows that you lack the probabilistic background required to reason about such things. No. It shows that I'm simply not willing to accept an incredibly limited

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Maxim Kammerer
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 11:20 PM, With Weather Eye Open w...@safe-mail.net wrote: No. It shows that I'm simply not willing to accept an incredibly limited environment to speak for a network as a whole. Only because you don't understand how Tor works. The less you understand, the more data you

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Juan Garofalo (juan@gmail.com): At 12:01 PM 8/10/2012 -0700, you wrote: The early Internet (even as late as the mid-90s) was also dominated by these same classes of people. Eventually it became usable by the normals and the demographics shifted quite dramatically. We all

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Maximum Camera (m...@dee.su): On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: The Tor users page is in my mind a reflection of what our demographics will look like as we improve our technology enough to be useful for everyone who wants Internet

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Ted Smith
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 22:21 +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 5:26 PM, With Weather Eye Open w...@safe-mail.net wrote: It is, in fact, difficult to do just by the nature of how Tor functions. Even if you were logging everything that came out of an exit node that you

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Ted Smith
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 02:00 +0300, Maxim Kammerer wrote: On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Ted Smith te...@riseup.net wrote: How would you do that without facing the same problem as someone wiretapping their own exit node? Do you have a CP classifier? Are you going to load each .onion and

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Ted Smith te...@riseup.net wrote: The obvious problem with this (((this, right here, is the productive contribution to discussion this email has: it points out the problem with your proposed methodologies))) is that it presumes that these top 50 .onion domains

Re: [tor-talk] Attack against Tor: Statistic Manipulation Attack

2012-08-10 Thread coderman
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 5:28 PM, adrelanos adrela...@riseup.net wrote: ... Conclusion: ... if the robot and attack is well designed, neither exit nodes nor anyone else are able to distinguish between robots and humans. i thought this might be a person contributing to an incendiary topic...

Re: [tor-talk] effect of Tor exit IP addresses listed on a few blacklists?

2012-08-10 Thread coderman
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote: ... Since there are sites on whatismyipaddress.com's blacklist-check that seem totally dedicated to tracking / listing Tor addresses, seems a good bet _any sites using this list_ will block many / ? most ? Tor addresses.

Re: [tor-talk] simple example in ruby

2012-08-10 Thread coderman
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 1:44 PM, gruby...@tormail.org wrote: Please send me a simple example in Ruby. How I can read from onion adress. connect to ypr7i2smxhcjalla.onion socker.write(string) and get ansver. behind transparent Tor proxy (see FAQ :) s = TCPSocket.new

Re: [tor-talk] Bug Remains: OpenSSL library does not load unless bridges are used

2012-08-10 Thread coderman
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Nick Mathewson ni...@alum.mit.edu wrote: ... Not sure I understand what you're talking about here. What is making you conclude that the openssl library isn't loading? this gentleperson appears confused by static vs. dynamic linking. not every application does

Re: [tor-talk] Tor as ecommerce platform

2012-08-10 Thread Greg Norcie
I think (but could be wrong) that you can look at a bitcoin's history and see who's given to whom and use that data to trace who the person is, if they weren't careful. (Eg: if they bought from a bitcoin exchange in the US which could have it's logs subpoenaed) Anyways, those drugs have to get