[tor-talk] Tor and P2P

2012-09-26 Thread meh.
I'll be short because I'm not used to mailing lists, it's 6 AM and I haven't slept yet. After implementing the torchat protocol and seeing how bad it is, but how nice the idea is, I started thinking it would be cool to have a more general protocol for P2P use through hidden services. My question

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P

2012-09-26 Thread Seth David Schoen
meh. writes: After implementing the torchat protocol and seeing how bad it is, but how nice the idea is, I started thinking it would be cool to have a more general protocol for P2P use through hidden services. My question is, how would it scale and what would be the implications of such a

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P

2012-09-26 Thread Robert Ransom
On 9/26/12, meh. m...@schizofreni.co wrote: After implementing the torchat protocol and seeing how bad it is, but how nice the idea is, I started thinking it would be cool to have a more general protocol for P2P use through hidden services. My question is, how would it scale and what would

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P

2012-09-26 Thread Paul Syverson
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:01:14PM -0700, Seth David Schoen wrote: meh. writes: After implementing the torchat protocol and seeing how bad it is, but how nice the idea is, I started thinking it would be cool to have a more general protocol for P2P use through hidden services. My

Re: [tor-talk] VPS provider

2012-09-26 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
On 9/25/12 7:31 PM, Webmaster wrote: Can anyone suggest a vps provider that is friendly to tor hidden services. This would not be for an exit node. Consider that on a VPS the Tor Hidden Service RSA Private Key will be fully exposed to the VPS provider. That means that the VPS provider would

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P (Hidden SMS)

2012-09-26 Thread tor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 26/09/12 10:06, Nathan Freitas wrote: After implementing the torchat protocol and seeing how bad it is, but how nice the idea is, I started thinking it would be cool to have a more general protocol for P2P use through hidden services.

Re: [tor-talk] how to know which IP(host) a TOR client is using as tor nodes?

2012-09-26 Thread esolve esolve
ah,below the connection-status there are usually 5 items, and when I click on one item, the details will be shown on the right, the details usually include 3 hosts. so this means the items are actually circuits and the 3 hosts are the entry, middle and exit node respectively? is it right? when I

[tor-talk] Obfsproxy Bridges in the Amazon Cloud

2012-09-26 Thread Runa A. Sandvik
Hi everyone, The Tor Cloud images [1] for all the seven regions have been updated to fix a bug found in the unattended-upgrades configuration. The normal bridge images have also been updated to include obfsproxy [2], which attempts to help users circumvent censorship by transforming the Tor

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P (Hidden SMS)

2012-09-26 Thread Bernd
2012/9/26 t...@lists.grepular.com: After implementing the torchat protocol and seeing how bad it is, but how nice the idea is What is bad about the torchat protocol? Is it its pragmatism and the fact that it does not use xml and other bloat? ___

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P (Hidden SMS)

2012-09-26 Thread meh.
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 03:17:39PM +0200, Bernd wrote: 2012/9/26 t...@lists.grepular.com: After implementing the torchat protocol and seeing how bad it is, but how nice the idea is What is bad about the torchat protocol? Is it its pragmatism and the fact that it does not use xml and

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P

2012-09-26 Thread meh.
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 02:36:34PM +0530, Nathan Freitas wrote: I am concerned in the long run about scalability and reliability of this. It is not unheard of for apps that work well and do something cool to suddently have 1M+ users, and already are nearing half that with Orbot. That is

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P (Hidden SMS)

2012-09-26 Thread Ted Smith
On Wed, 2012-09-26 at 11:42 +0100, t...@lists.grepular.com wrote: This is not the same as using XMPP over Tor. XMPP requires a trusted third party server to handle the relaying. This is P2P direct communication using hidden services. It's not real-time IM chat. It's SMS style chat (with

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P (Hidden SMS)

2012-09-26 Thread Bernd
2012/9/26 meh. m...@schizofreni.co: It's not pragmatist at all, it wastes time and resources doing replaces when it could have just been really binary and prepend the length of the packet, which is the sane way to do something like that instead of using an end of packet separator. No, these

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P (Hidden SMS)

2012-09-26 Thread adrelanos
Ted Smith: On Wed, 2012-09-26 at 11:42 +0100, t...@lists.grepular.com wrote: This is not the same as using XMPP over Tor. XMPP requires a trusted third party server to handle the relaying. This is P2P direct communication using hidden services. It's not real-time IM chat. It's SMS style chat

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P

2012-09-26 Thread adrelanos
Nathan Freitas: On 09/26/2012 10:08 AM, meh. wrote: After implementing the torchat protocol and seeing how bad it is, but how nice the idea is, I started thinking it would be cool to have a more general protocol for P2P use through hidden services. This is something we have definitely

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P (Hidden SMS)

2012-09-26 Thread meh.
On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 07:17:32PM +0200, Bernd wrote: 2012/9/26 meh. m...@schizofreni.co: It's not pragmatist at all, it wastes time and resources doing replaces when it could have just been really binary and prepend the length of the packet, which is the sane way to do something like

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P

2012-09-26 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Nathan Freitas (nat...@freitas.net): On 09/26/2012 10:08 AM, meh. wrote: After implementing the torchat protocol and seeing how bad it is, but how nice the idea is, I started thinking it would be cool to have a more general protocol for P2P use through hidden services.

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P (Hidden SMS)

2012-09-26 Thread Nathan Freitas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/26/2012 08:53 PM, Ted Smith wrote: Further, SMS is basically real-time. An SMS app that had hidden-service type delays (which would be especially bad when roaming between network connections, causing you to rebuild all of your circuits)

Re: [tor-talk] How to pin the SSL certificate for torproject.org?

2012-09-26 Thread adrelanos
adrelanos: A malicious certificate for torproject.org has been given out at least twice by broken certificate authorities. (Comodo, DigiNotar, who is next...) To prevent that in future, I'd like to pin the SSL certificate's fingerprint. How can that be done? Running an own local CA or is

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P

2012-09-26 Thread grarpamp
Allow me to combine some quotes from this recent thread alone... I've had an idea for a while for a killer service for... I'd be very much interested to see it in reality. I guess the delays will be more then acceptable. it would be cool to have a more general protocol for P2P use through

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P

2012-09-26 Thread grarpamp
While we don't need a very complex p2p design (in short, we are mostly just talking about simple HTTP servers running on each device, behind a hidden service .onion), I am concerned in the long run about scalability and reliability of this. Is, or can Tor be, useful or optimal? On which

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P

2012-09-26 Thread adrelanos
grarpamp: Given that these services are surely coming in force... and from directions that see these networks more as a raw transport than say, primarily for the purposes outlined on their respective web pages... it seems the usual echo of we're a nice project, don't do that, too much load

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P

2012-09-26 Thread grarpamp
My question is, how would it scale and what would be the implications of such a system (every user would be a hidden service and would be constantly connected to other hidden services it wants to interact with)? thrash the HS directory system excessively, and probably overload the users'

Re: [tor-talk] Tor and P2P

2012-09-26 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake adrelanos (adrela...@riseup.net): grarpamp: Given that these services are surely coming in force... and from directions that see these networks more as a raw transport than say, primarily for the purposes outlined on their respective web pages... it seems the usual echo of