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I think service providers
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Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help
On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:48:35 +, Jon wrote:
...
Running a exit node on DSL or Cable from home, is just as safe, I believe,
Remember, people also take fire insurances. That is on about the same
risk/paranoia level as is a raid for a tor exit at home.
Andreas
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Totally trivial. Famous last
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Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help
Hi all,
i would like to measure how much Bandwidth a Tor Client Usage (via
Socks) use over time.
The goal is to have the same data of the Tor Relay bandwidth stats, that
can i can graph, but to collect and save Tor Client traffic (Not Tor
Relay/Tor Exit).
Is it easily possible?
I'm trying to
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Please help if you can.
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:24:42 +, Eugen Leitl wrote:
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On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Tom Beecher tbeec...@localnet.com wrote:
Assuming it's true, it was bound to happen. Running anything , TOR or
otherwise, that allows strangers to do whatever they want is just folly.
Such as, say,
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You are correct about most
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On
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Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if
you can.
Just thought I'd Add my 2c here. Limiting my response Only regarding
home Wireless access in the US. I was involved in a case with just
this situation.
According to my lawyer there is no consensus on who is responsible for
wifi. Every State has different laws each one is just a vague.
In
Julian Yon jul...@yon.org.uk wrote:
This story has now hit Ars Technica:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/tor-operator-charged-for-child-porn-transmitted-over-his-servers/
There doesn't seem to be any indication that he has been
charged with anything.
Usually raids happen to collect
iirc in the Netherlands you're not responsible for illegal actions
commited through your Wifi.
In fact if you're a household and illegal activities are made through
your own internet by one of the household members the state has to prove
wich member it was to prosecute. It is not possbile to
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Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 07:58:53 -0500
To: na...@nanog.org
Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if
you can.
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On Thu, Nov
On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:07:49 -0500
Paul Syverson syver...@itd.nrl.navy.mil wrote:
Could you say more about why you would want to do that? I ask because
this increases those clients' risk from an AS-level attacker by
mandating an increase in the number of ASes that must be traversed
between
On November 30, 2012 at 08:18 joa...@aronius.se (Joakim Aronius) wrote:
I am all for being anonymous on the net but I seriously believe that we
still need to enforce the law when it comes to serious felonies like child
pr0n, organized crime etc, we can't give them a free pass just by
Running a non-exit Tor relay on Linux and have iptables set up to block
inbound and outbound RFC1918 addresses on the outside interface. Notice in
the firewall logs several seemingly random private IP addresses connection
attempts to my relay port getting dropped on the outside over the
i would like to measure how much Bandwidth a Tor Client Usage (via
Socks) use over time.
The goal is to have the same data of the Tor Relay bandwidth stats, that
can i can graph, but to collect and save Tor Client traffic (Not Tor
Relay/Tor Exit).
Whether or not Tor itself has a knob for
I downloaded the tbb again and I noticed there is only one version for
Linux, UNIX and BSD. I thought these were all totally different operating
systems. I just started with Ubuntu a few months ago so maybe I am
wrong. Does the tbb really work everywhere or is the comment on that
download dead
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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:59 AM
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Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please
help if you can.
On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 08:04:02AM -0500, Chris quoted (William):
Yes, it
Running a non-exit Tor relay on Linux and have iptables set up to
block
inbound and outbound RFC1918 addresses on the outside interface.
Notice in
the firewall logs several seemingly random private IP addresses
connection
attempts to my relay port getting dropped on the outside over the
WAIT A SECOND HERE!?!?
I just read below that this guy runs a large ISP in Austria. I thought
his Tor node was hosted with an external provider. If he runs the ISP,
why would he not host his own server in house? I suppose there are
reasons but I can't think of one, especially if you feel so
On 11/30/2012 04:01 PM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
I am a little concerned that this guy keeps a safe deposit box with a burner
phone and cash around. Is he a CIA agent? :)
Anyone who DOESN'T have such things stashed away somewhere is, IMHO,
incredibly naive and taking on quite a large amount
As a network professional do I not have a duty to protect my companies
network from unauthorized access within my ability to do so? I think I
do. If you lost all of your credit card and identity data because I
left an open wifi hotspot on my network would you have a liability case?
I sure think
OK, there must be a lot more paranoid people out there than I thought
there were. I personally don't have a runaway kit stashed away. I
will get right on that. So when that mouth breather cop won't believe
you are innocent, your answer is to grab your stuff and go on the lamb
for awhile? I am
From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 3:47 PM
To: William Herrin
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please
help if you can.
On 11/29/12, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote:
If the computer at IP:port:timestamp
When is the last time you were arrested, or even in a legal situation
which required your attention as a defendant? It seems pretty straight
forward, but I can assure you this guy is getting very little sleep and
his heart is beating out of his chest. Granted this entire situation is
taking place
I didn't say anything about trying to run away. That probably won't
accomplish a whole lot in the long run. But when all of your bank
accounts and credit cards are frozen, and your house is a crime scene,
at least you have the means to rent a hotel room, contact
family/lawyers, etc.
And
Guess who has power over the networks and Internet. We do and power corrupts
us too. There are some bad guy ISPs and engineers out there too. Just because
you are running a Tor server to allow for privacy protection does not mean
you were never doing anything illegal through it. I know this
On 1/12/2012 9:02 AM, Naslund, Steve wrote:
OK, there must be a lot more paranoid people out there than I thought
there were. I personally don't have a runaway kit stashed away. I
will get right on that. So when that mouth breather cop won't believe
you are innocent, your answer is to grab
The cops don't have to present evidence until there is a court case.
Since this guy was not arrested, they have apparently not decided to
charge him yet.
You clearly do not understand the general procedure stated in European
crime laws. In most EU countries, the police cannot arrest you, after
On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 16:31 -0600, Naslund, Steve wrote:
Guess who has power over the networks and Internet. We do and power
corrupts us too. There are some bad guy ISPs and engineers out there
too. Just because you are running a Tor server to allow for privacy
protection does not mean you
I forgot - did someone say they keep cash extra phone in a safe
deposit box (pre paid or contract? Contract phone is no use in a police
crack down)?
If a deposit box, judge could freeze that too, so better hide it in
someone else's house. And what are they gonna say about that? I need
to
tarb...@mixnym.net wrote:
I downloaded the tbb again and I noticed there is only one version for
Linux, UNIX and BSD. I thought these were all totally different
operating
systems. I just started with Ubuntu a few months ago so maybe I am
wrong. Does the tbb really work everywhere or is the
On 2012-11-30, tarb...@mixnym.net tarb...@mixnym.net wrote:
I downloaded the tbb again and I noticed there is only one version for
Linux, UNIX and BSD. I thought these were all totally different operating
systems. I just started with Ubuntu a few months ago so maybe I am
wrong. Does the tbb
Hello,
I have seen tails sync the clock with UTC just after a network
connection and start browser. How does it do so. It is the ntpupdate ?
How can it sense the net connection ?
Thanks
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