Re: [tor-talk] CloudFlare

2013-04-18 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 23:59:45 -0400 grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: Noticed a recent surge of sites using CloudFlare. Actually, I've talked to cloudflare in the recent past. They don't block Tor per se, they rate limit connections/request per IP address. While I don't agree with this model,

Re: [tor-talk] Cicpa

2013-04-18 Thread Griffin Boyce
Andrew F andrewfriedman...@gmail.com wrote: thanks griffin. ... liked... and shared. Crap... I gotta get off facebook! In situations like these, a phone call is worth five hundred online signatures. Congressional reps aren't *that* mean ;-) ~Griffin

Re: [tor-talk] CloudFlare

2013-04-18 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Matthew Finkel: On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 09:01:21AM +, Matt Pagan wrote: They're based in San Francisco, along with Craigslist (which is another misguided arbitrary blocker of Tor exits). Any other SF based companies that could benefit from a visit or hackerspace talk about why they should

Re: [tor-talk] CloudFlare

2013-04-18 Thread Lucia Liljegren
I use Cloudflare. When I experience hacking, spamming scraping or any other cpu sucking activity, I use Cloudflares API and ban the IP then unban 7 days later. If the IP falls in a pre-identified 'dirty' range, I never unban it. Based on my logs I had the distinct impression Cloudflare did

Re: [tor-talk] CloudFlare

2013-04-18 Thread grarpamp
Protecting networks or hosts based on rumors and hearsay is a pretty poor way to protect anything. Empirical data should rule the decisions. Some people also make decisions based on perception of how likely traffic is to convert into sales or signups. Which is also a very problematic way

Re: [tor-talk] CloudFlare

2013-04-18 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 2:51 PM, grarpamp grarp...@gmail.com wrote: Though sure, I do suggest and accept that Tor may present a different *class* of abuse than other categories of abusable IP's. Tor exits were not banned prior to their use for abuse. At the point automated exitlist banning was

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2013-04-18 Thread raven131
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Re: [tor-talk] CloudFlare

2013-04-18 Thread grarpamp
Tor may present a different *class* of abuse than other categories of abusable IP's. There is no particular blocking efficiency gain that comes from using exitlists relative to other kinds of abuse sources. The skill needed for the masses to download and use Tor for personal style abuse is

Re: [tor-talk] CloudFlare

2013-04-18 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Gregory Maxwell: On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote: It is possible to request a special flag on a Wikipedia account that is granted by way of some special handshake. It is possible to take an already created account and use it for edits as the flag

Re: [tor-talk] CloudFlare

2013-04-18 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Matthew Finkel: On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 09:57:06PM +, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Matthew Finkel: On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 09:01:21AM +, Matt Pagan wrote: They're based in San Francisco, along with Craigslist (which is another misguided arbitrary blocker of Tor exits). Any other SF based