Re: [tor-talk] Tor 0.2.4.17-rc is out

2013-09-09 Thread Roman Mamedov
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 00:49:15 -0400 Chris Patti cpa...@gmail.com wrote: I realize this is release candidate code, and the answer may well be if you need to ask this question you shouldn't be running it but is there any way to get the latest RC builds installed via the usual apt-get mechanisms

Re: [tor-talk] Tor 0.2.4.17-rc is out

2013-09-09 Thread dope457
Chris, actually it is pretty simple. Here is the guide: https://www.torproject.org/docs/debian.html.en#development Cheers, dope457 On 9.9.2013 6:49, Chris Patti wrote: I realize this is release candidate code, and the answer may well be if you need to ask this question you shouldn't be

Re: [tor-talk] Many more Tor users in the past week?

2013-09-09 Thread mirimir
This http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/the-mysterious-mevade-malware/ explains the Israel anomaly, I think. The Mysterious Mevade Malware Published on September 5th, 2013 Written by: Feike Hacquebord (Senior Threat Researcher) ... Yesterday, Fox-IT published

Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy doesn't work with Gmail?

2013-09-09 Thread tagnaq
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I no longer work on this system but I forwarded your mail to someone who does. We still get 'Suspicious sign in prevented' emails: The following relay was used: https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/EFAAC1D98176AAD94B1D16E868F51DFBD6BC8CB0

[tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-09 Thread Praedor Atrebates
In light of the recent revelations of how the NSA has broken commercial software all over the place, I wonder about the security of Oracle's VirtualBox VM software used by Whonix (and other?) tor-based anonymity systems. A large portion of VirtualBox is open source but some libraries used are of

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-09 Thread Nathan Suchy
The only secure thing is Tor Tails booted from USB. Sent from my Android so do not expect a fast, long, or perfect response... On Sep 9, 2013 11:37 AM, adrelanos adrela...@riseup.net wrote: Speaking as a maintainer of Whonix... Before answering this, there is some prerequisite knowledge.

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-09 Thread adrelanos
Nathan Suchy: The only secure thing is Tor Tails booted from USB. Not against the threat model the original poster is concerned about. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsusbscribe or change other settings go to

Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy doesn't work with Gmail?

2013-09-09 Thread Griffin Boyce
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/09/2013 12:19 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: For a real fix we need to be able to identify Tor nodes that exit traffic. The fact that some nodes exit traffic but aren't marked as exits would appear to be a design issue with Tor itself. I don't think

Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy doesn't work with Gmail?

2013-09-09 Thread Mike Hearn
Yes, but then people who run relays would end up having to deal with the suddenly changed security model. There were people complaining about getting blocked by random websites just because they ran relays elsewhere on this list. I don't think Google wants to actively discourage people from

Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy doesn't work with Gmail?

2013-09-09 Thread Mike Hearn
Actually, re-reading this thread I recall that tagnaq suggested just disabling the risk analysis entirely once we see a successful Tor login. I've CCd Daniel Margolis who still works on this system (I moved on to other things). Daniel, what do you think? (note that you may have to sign up to the

Re: [tor-talk] Email Clients and Tor - OT addition

2013-09-09 Thread mick
On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 00:03:59 +0100 Graham Todd gct7photogra...@gmail.com allegedly wrote: Of course, if you put a decent HOSTS file in /etc/hosts to start with, it'll make your endeavours easier. The best I've found is at: http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htmbut that's not really relevent

[tor-talk] The reasoning behind the 'exit' flag definition

2013-09-09 Thread tagnaq
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, I'd like to understand why the exit flag is defined as it is. The current definition can be found in the directory spec [1]: Exit -- A router is called an 'Exit' iff it allows exits to at least two of the ports 80, 443, and 6667 and

Re: [tor-talk] DocTor spelling mistake

2013-09-09 Thread Damian Johnson
Hi, here: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-consensus-health/2013-September/003506.html DocTor doesn't say entries. Thanks Sebastian, fixed... https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-commits/2013-September/061598.html (did not know where to put this) A trac ticket or

Re: [tor-talk] The reasoning behind the 'exit' flag definition

2013-09-09 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 07:25:06PM +, tagnaq wrote: I'd like to understand why the exit flag is defined as it is. The current definition can be found in the directory spec [1]: Exit -- A router is called an 'Exit' iff it allows exits to at least two of the ports 80, 443, and 6667

Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy doesn't work with Gmail?

2013-09-09 Thread tagnaq
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 It'd be better to find out why nodes that are exiting traffic don't get marked as exits. Looking at that relay, it seems it doesn't allow web traffic, but some ports are allowed. Perhaps the suspicious sign-in in question wasn't a web signin?

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-09 Thread Chris
We are not concerned about the price but rather we are concerned about our freedoms to share change etc the source code to suit our needs. Furthmore some of us are very paranoid. Rightly so. Also why can't u make a open source bios? Is that sarcasm or do you genuinely not understand the

Re: [tor-talk] TorBirdy doesn't work with Gmail?

2013-09-09 Thread Mike Hearn
For a real fix we need to be able to identify Tor nodes that exit traffic. The fact that some nodes exit traffic but aren't marked as exits would appear to be a design issue with Tor itself. I don't think we can justify a whole lot of engineering time to building a complicated system to identify

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-09 Thread Nathan Suchy
Well, why don't you write your own bios? On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Chris tmail...@errtech.com wrote: We are not concerned about the price but rather we are concerned about our freedoms to share change etc the source code to suit our needs. Furthmore some of us are very paranoid.

Re: [tor-talk] The reasoning behind the 'exit' flag definition

2013-09-09 Thread tagnaq
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I assume the exit flag was meant to be used by tor clients only [2] because destination port 80/443 are probably amongst the most frequently accessed services, but was than (mis)used to generate (inaccurate) 'Tor exit IP address lists' (?).

Re: [tor-talk] Indirect Tor question

2013-09-09 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Sep 09, 2013 at 05:24:31PM -0400, Nathan Suchy wrote: Well, why don't you write your own bios? Even coreboot helps you very little, as there is simply too much proprietary crap in a typical PC platform where you can drop undetectable (out of band) malware. You need completely open