Re: [tor-talk] Terminology: Deep v Dark Web

2014-01-25 Thread Mirimir
On 01/25/2014 08:42 PM, Roman Mamedov wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 14:33:12 -0700 > Mirimir wrote: > >> Analogous private networks, generally called anonets, are also routed >> via VPNs through the Internet. > > There is anoNet/anoNet2 [1] which are a very specific particular project; but > that

Re: [tor-talk] Vidalia has been replaced with Tor Launcher

2014-01-25 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 1/25/2014 5:07 PM, Lunar wrote: Joe Btfsplk: I missed the memo on all reasons why Vidalia - bad, Tor Launcher - good. At least: http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~clark/papers/2007_soups.pdf http://petsymposium.org/2012/papers/hotpets12-1-usability.pdf and Vidalia has no maintainers for a while

Re: [tor-talk] Terminology: Deep v Dark Web

2014-01-25 Thread Roman Mamedov
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 14:33:12 -0700 Mirimir wrote: > Analogous private networks, generally called anonets, are also routed > via VPNs through the Internet. There is anoNet/anoNet2 [1] which are a very specific particular project; but that's the first time ever I hear that "private networks... are

Re: [tor-talk] TBB 3.5 starts w/ size buttons hidden

2014-01-25 Thread Joe Btfsplk
2014-01-26 Joe Btfsplk TBB 3.5 for Win is starting in half screen & the UI sizing buttons are hidden because the TBB UI is shifted where the size buttons are off the monitor. So is most of the title bar, making it hard to drag the UI down to reach buttons. Once maximized, it fits fine on the mo

Re: [tor-talk] TBB 3.5 starts w/ size buttons hidden

2014-01-25 Thread Nils Kunze
You can use the windows key + an arrow key to resize and move windows. So for example win + left arrow to make the window take over the left half of the screen. With that you should be able to put it in the position you like anytime. 2014-01-26 Joe Btfsplk > TBB 3.5 for Win is starting in half

[tor-talk] TBB 3.5 starts w/ size buttons hidden

2014-01-25 Thread Joe Btfsplk
TBB 3.5 for Win is starting in half screen & the UI sizing buttons are hidden because the TBB UI is shifted where the size buttons are off the monitor. So is most of the title bar, making it hard to drag the UI down to reach buttons. Once maximized, it fits fine on the monitor. Finally got it

Re: [tor-talk] Vidalia has been replaced with Tor Launcher

2014-01-25 Thread Mark McCarron
I find it interesting that changes put forward by a group funded by every major three letter intelligence agency makes it into tor. More interesting is the fact that these changes hide who you are connected to and the ability to change that. That's highly exploitable. What's going on here? M

Re: [tor-talk] Vidalia has been replaced with Tor Launcher

2014-01-25 Thread Lunar
Joe Btfsplk: > I missed the memo on all reasons why Vidalia - bad, Tor Launcher - > good. At least: http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~clark/papers/2007_soups.pdf http://petsymposium.org/2012/papers/hotpets12-1-usability.pdf and Vidalia has no maintainers for a while now. -- Lunar

Re: [tor-talk] Vidalia has been replaced with Tor Launcher

2014-01-25 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 1/25/2014 7:33 AM, Katya Titov wrote: TT Security: 1. So "Network Map" and "New Identity" are absent now. When these functions will be add to the TBB? Vidalia is now a stand-alone package. Details: https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#WhereDidVidaliaGo If TBB is leaving Vidalia for a "better

Re: [tor-talk] Terminology: Deep v Dark Web

2014-01-25 Thread Katya Titov
Moritz Bartl: > "There are approximately ​5000 Tor relays and under 2500 Tor bridges, > this may provide an indication of an upper bound on the number of > hidden services." > > There is no correlation between the number of relays and hidden > services? Hidden services should rather be behind simp

Re: [tor-talk] Terminology: Deep v Dark Web

2014-01-25 Thread Mirimir
On 01/25/2014 04:53 AM, Katya Titov wrote: > Roger Dingledine: >> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 06:44:11PM +1000, Katya Titov wrote: >>> So are there any useful stats on the size of the dark web? >> >> Check out http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#oakland2013-trawling >> for some statistics about the number of

Re: [tor-talk] FTP Hidden Service

2014-01-25 Thread grarpamp
You really should *not* be using ftp for anything, hidden service or otherwise. The whole pasv epsv etc issue is a huge pain for people. Especially over Tor/proxies/firewalls. Just switch to SFTP and save people the pain and gain full client2server encryption in the process. -- tor-talk mailing li

Re: [tor-talk] Vidalia has been replaced with Tor Launcher

2014-01-25 Thread Nathan Suchy
I'm unsure, The New Identity function is critical, I think Tor Button has it, but Network might be a deprecated function... On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Katya Titov wrote: > TT Security: > > 1. So "Network Map" and "New Identity" are absent now. When these > > functions will be add to the T

Re: [tor-talk] Terminology: Deep v Dark Web

2014-01-25 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 01/25/2014 12:53 PM, Katya Titov wrote: > I've put together an article and placed it on the Tor Trac/Wiki: > https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/HowBigIsTheDarkWeb > It's a start, and I'll keep searching for more relevant information. Thanks for this. Quite good already! "There a

Re: [tor-talk] Terminology: Deep v Dark Web

2014-01-25 Thread Katya Titov
krishna e bera: > On 14-01-25 06:53 AM, Katya Titov wrote: >> I've put together an article and placed it on the Tor Trac/Wiki: >> >> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/HowBigIsTheDarkWeb > > Cool - it's concise and useful as a reference point for media or > public relations. > > T

Re: [tor-talk] Terminology: Deep v Dark Web

2014-01-25 Thread krishna e bera
On 14-01-25 06:53 AM, Katya Titov wrote: > Roger Dingledine: >> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 06:44:11PM +1000, Katya Titov wrote: >>> So are there any useful stats on the size of the dark web? >> >> Check out http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#oakland2013-trawling >> for some statistics about the number of h

Re: [tor-talk] Vidalia has been replaced with Tor Launcher

2014-01-25 Thread Katya Titov
TT Security: > 1. So "Network Map" and "New Identity" are absent now. When these > functions will be add to the TBB? Vidalia is now a stand-alone package. Details: https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq#WhereDidVidaliaGo -- kat -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscri

Re: [tor-talk] Terminology: Deep v Dark Web

2014-01-25 Thread Katya Titov
Roger Dingledine: > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 06:44:11PM +1000, Katya Titov wrote: >> So are there any useful stats on the size of the dark web? > > Check out http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#oakland2013-trawling > for some statistics about the number of hidden services as of about > a year ago. It's n

Re: [tor-talk] Terminology: Deep v Dark Web

2014-01-25 Thread Lars Luthman
On Sat, 2014-01-25 at 05:06 -0500, Roger Dingledine wrote: > On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 06:44:11PM +1000, Katya Titov wrote: > > So are there any useful stats on the size of the dark web? > > Check out http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#oakland2013-trawling > for some statistics about the number of hidde

Re: [tor-talk] Terminology: Deep v Dark Web

2014-01-25 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 06:44:11PM +1000, Katya Titov wrote: > So are there any useful stats on the size of the dark web? Check out http://freehaven.net/anonbib/#oakland2013-trawling for some statistics about the number of hidden services as of about a year ago. It's not all that precise (and the

Re: [tor-talk] Terminology: Deep v Dark Web

2014-01-25 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi Katya, I wish there were clear definitions for these terms, but there aren't, and I guess there never will be. I encourage you to "dig deeper" on this topic, and collect a nice set of opinions and links somewhere. It should not turn into a discussion on whose definition is "right" though... In

[tor-talk] Terminology: Deep v Dark Web

2014-01-25 Thread Katya Titov
Hi all, I have a question or two about terminology in use when discussing non-indexable portions of the web. Relevant terms I see are "deep web" and "dark web", with occasional references to "dark Internet". Definitions which I use, and which seem to be reasonably popular are: - Deep web: