Re: [tor-talk] Wikimedia and Tor

2014-10-02 Thread Andrew Lewman
On 2014-10-01 09:57, Derric Atzrott wrote: About once a year the topic of Tor comes up on Wikimedia's technical mailing list. I recently raised the topic again. For those who aren't aware of the situation, currently Wikimedia blocks all edits from Tor users. We are trying to find a way that

Re: [tor-talk] Wikimedia and Tor

2014-10-02 Thread Derric Atzrott
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 With Tor soft-blocked, this problem goes away. What am I missing? I'm not sure if you are saying Tor is soft-blocked, so what is the problem? or If we soft-blocked Tor there would be no problem. So I'm going to attempt to address both. ==Tor is

Re: [tor-talk] Wikimedia and Tor

2014-10-02 Thread Derric Atzrott
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for joining the list and starting the conversation. Are there data sets or statistics which quantify tor usage at wikimedia? It might help to frame the discussion if we know the scale of the tor usage or the problem we're trying to

Re: [tor-talk] Wikimedia and Tor

2014-10-02 Thread Mirimir
On 10/02/2014 06:52 AM, Derric Atzrott wrote: SNIP I liked the GPG idea, and brought it back to Wikitech-l. I'll let you guys know if anyone there finds a way to completely break it. There's another possibility that's probably easier to implement and test, but isn't so broadly useful as a

Re: [tor-talk] Wikimedia and Tor

2014-10-02 Thread Derric Atzrott
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I liked the GPG idea, and brought it back to Wikitech-l. I'll let you guys know if anyone there finds a way to completely break it. There's another possibility that's probably easier to implement and test, but isn't so broadly useful as a

Re: [tor-talk] How does Tor help abuse victims?

2014-10-02 Thread Andrew Lewman
On 2014-10-01 13:20, Sebastian G. bastik.tor wrote: I appear to lack imagination on how Tor helps abuse victims. Since some of you are involved with some organizations working in that field, I hope you give some insight. Personally I see no benefit in using Tor from the point of view of an

Re: [tor-talk] How does Tor help abuse victims?

2014-10-02 Thread Ted Smith
On Thu, 2014-10-02 at 10:56 -0400, Andrew Lewman wrote: On 2014-10-01 13:20, Sebastian G. bastik.tor wrote: I appear to lack imagination on how Tor helps abuse victims. Since some of you are involved with some organizations working in that field, I hope you give some insight. Personally

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Griffin Boyce
Hey Patrick, Most newspapers have a taste for the salacious, and the DailyDot is not exempt from that criticism. People buy drugs online (which is incredibly stupid for several reasons), but that is in no way the largest use case for hidden services. Not even close. It sells papers (and their

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Patrick
Thanks for the suggestions Griffin (and everyone else who has emailed me), I really appreciate it! I'll be taking your advice and reaching out to the people you've mentioned. As to the complaints, since they take up a good chunk of your email: I don't take me or my employer to be exempt from any

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread z9wahqvh
as I've asked before, I would appreciate any metrics, stats, or other data that can back up claims of this sort, as well as means by which reporters and researchers can assess them. I am thinking traffic in volume, not number of applications (not numbers of newspapers, number of drug-based sites,

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Andrew Lewman
On 2014-10-01 17:40, Patrick wrote: Hi everyone, Over the past few weeks, I've talked with a number of Tor people about how the project is portrayed in the media. As a reporter on this beat, the many legitimate criticisms the community have had strike pretty close to home for me. I don't think

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Andrew Lewman
On 2014-10-02 14:15, z9wahqvh wrote: as I've asked before, I would appreciate any metrics, stats, or other data that can back up claims of this sort, as well as means by which reporters and researchers can assess them. Luckily, we have DARPA working to find out these metrics and stats, see

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Greg Curcio
hey guys how can i communicate with mr S on here to discuss a possible movie deal in the coming years Greg Curcio On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Andrew Lewman and...@torproject.is wrote: On 2014-10-02 14:15, z9wahqvh wrote: as I've asked before, I would appreciate any metrics, stats, or

Re: [tor-talk] Edward Snowden (was: Tor in the media)

2014-10-02 Thread Derric Atzrott
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hey guys how can i communicate with mr S on here to discuss a possible movie deal in the coming years Greg, Sorry for not returning your email last night. I am doubtful anyone on this list knows how to get in touch with Mr. Snowden. We all use

Re: [tor-talk] Wikimedia and Tor

2014-10-02 Thread Mirimir
On 10/02/2014 06:52 AM, Derric Atzrott wrote: SNIP I liked the GPG idea, and brought it back to Wikitech-l. I'll let you guys know if anyone there finds a way to completely break it. I've asked about this on gnupg-users, and have been disabused of the notion. I get that it's too hard to

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread z9wahqvh
that's a funny dismissive response, but I think it is a very serious question, and that it is taken seriously is reflected in no place more strongly than when people on this list suggest that they know Tor is mostly used for good purposes and that that is (implicitly or explicitly) why they use or

Re: [tor-talk] How does Tor help abuse victims?

2014-10-02 Thread z9wahqvh
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Andrew Lewman and...@torproject.is wrote: On 2014-10-01 13:20, Sebastian G. bastik.tor wrote: I appear to lack imagination on how Tor helps abuse victims. Since some of you are involved with some organizations working in that field, I hope you give some

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Mirimir
On 10/02/2014 01:24 PM, z9wahqvh wrote: that's a funny dismissive response, but I think it is a very serious question, and that it is taken seriously is reflected in no place more strongly than when people on this list suggest that they know Tor is mostly used for good purposes and that that

Re: [tor-talk] Wikimedia and Tor

2014-10-02 Thread Mirimir
On 10/02/2014 01:15 PM, Mirimir wrote: On 10/02/2014 06:52 AM, Derric Atzrott wrote: SNIP I liked the GPG idea, and brought it back to Wikitech-l. I'll let you guys know if anyone there finds a way to completely break it. I've asked about this on gnupg-users, and have been disabused of

Re: [tor-talk] Wikimedia and Tor

2014-10-02 Thread Jann Horn
On Thu, Oct 02, 2014 at 01:15:32PM -0600, Mirimir wrote: What's needed, I think, is challenge-based (as opposed to reputation-based) proof-of-work that's very difficult to cheat. That sounds like Bitcoin, doesn't it? Yes, but a bit more like Hashcash given the usecase: http://www.hashcash.org/

Re: [tor-talk] Edward Snowden (was: Tor in the media)

2014-10-02 Thread Greg Curcio
Derric thanks.. mr s loses out again i guess Greg Curcio On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Derric Atzrott datzr...@alizeepathology.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hey guys how can i communicate with mr S on here to discuss a possible movie deal in the coming

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread z9wahqvh
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote: On 10/02/2014 01:24 PM, z9wahqvh wrote: Even if (for argument's sake) 99% of Tor users/uses were unqualifiedly evil, that would say nothing about Tor. At most, it would speak to its relatively slow uptake overall, and perhaps

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Ted Smith
Torizens, this is a concern troll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_% 28Internet%29#Concern_troll They have repeatedly said they support Tor and want to be wrong, but... and then spread poison. List administrators, you have dedicated significant resources towards stopping censorship, and I

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread Mirimir
On 10/02/2014 04:35 PM, z9wahqvh wrote: On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mirimir miri...@riseup.net wrote: On 10/02/2014 01:24 PM, z9wahqvh wrote: Even if (for argument's sake) 99% of Tor users/uses were unqualifiedly evil, that would say nothing about Tor. At most, it would speak to its

Re: [tor-talk] Tor in the media

2014-10-02 Thread stn
i think roger dingledine presented some short timeline evidence awhile back in a video i saw but this is from memory. a US university and the DoJ usa tallied tor traffic on their relay and only found something like 3% unwanted traffic. that could have included things like copyrighted music