Re: [tor-talk] Directory Server Decentralization

2013-01-31 Thread Raynardine
On 1/30/2013 6:08 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: PIR-Tor is another idea, not quite DHT, not quite the current model, http://www.usenix.org/events/sec11/tech/full_papers/Mittal.pdf Hmm. I don't think a DHT is strictly-speaking what I'd recommend, but if a bunch of men with guns arrested the

Re: [tor-talk] Directory Server Decentralization

2013-01-31 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Raynardine (raynard...@tormail.org): On 1/30/2013 6:08 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: PIR-Tor is another idea, not quite DHT, not quite the current model, http://www.usenix.org/events/sec11/tech/full_papers/Mittal.pdf Hmm. I don't think a DHT is strictly-speaking what I'd recommend,

Re: [tor-talk] Directory Server Decentralization

2013-01-30 Thread unknown
On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:49:23 -0600 Raynardine raynard...@tormail.org wrote: I just wanted to ask here in Tor-Talk where the efforts to decentralize the Tor directory servers have gone so far? One of the goals of centralizing is protect Tor against attacks based on the desynchronisation and

Re: [tor-talk] Directory Server Decentralization

2013-01-30 Thread Raynardine
On 1/30/2013 11:58 AM, unknown wrote: On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:49:23 -0600 Raynardine raynard...@tormail.org wrote: I just wanted to ask here in Tor-Talk where the efforts to decentralize the Tor directory servers have gone so far? One of the goals of centralizing is protect Tor against

Re: [tor-talk] Directory Server Decentralization

2013-01-30 Thread Sebastian G. bastik.tor
Hi, (trimmed) me replying as non-tor-people, non-dev, non-crypto-expert, non-researcher. Raynardine: How far along is the Directory Server decentralization in general? If you talk about DHT (distributed hash tables) to bootstrap rather than fetching the consensus from a central place or a

Re: [tor-talk] Directory Server Decentralization

2013-01-30 Thread unknown
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 12:17:04 -0600 Raynardine raynard...@tormail.org wrote: What happens if a government (such as the United States) demands the private keys for the Directory Authorities? Would you even know if it has already happened years ago? And what? Everyone can run your own tor node

Re: [tor-talk] Directory Server Decentralization

2013-01-30 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Raynardine (raynard...@tormail.org): On 1/30/2013 11:58 AM, unknown wrote: On Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:49:23 -0600 Raynardine raynard...@tormail.org wrote: I just wanted to ask here in Tor-Talk where the efforts to decentralize the Tor directory servers have gone so far? One of

Re: [tor-talk] Directory Server Decentralization

2013-01-30 Thread unknown
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:49:54 -0400 Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: Longer term, I'm interested in having some form (or better: many forms) of multipath consensus validation: May be that algo is relevant to independed control of consensus data:

Re: [tor-talk] Directory Server Decentralization

2013-01-30 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake unknown (unkn...@pgpru.com): On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 15:49:54 -0400 Mike Perry mikepe...@torproject.org wrote: Longer term, I'm interested in having some form (or better: many forms) of multipath consensus validation: May be that algo is relevant to independed control of

Re: [tor-talk] Directory Server Decentralization

2013-01-30 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 19:41:50 +0100 Sebastian G. bastik.tor bastik@googlemail.com wrote: How far along is the Directory Server decentralization in general? If you talk about DHT (distributed hash tables) to bootstrap rather than fetching the consensus from a central place or a mirror... I

[tor-talk] Directory Server Decentralization

2013-01-29 Thread Raynardine
I just wanted to ask here in Tor-Talk where the efforts to decentralize the Tor directory servers have gone so far? How far along is the Bridge Community idea? How far along is the Directory Server decentralization in general? How is the idea of breaking up the Tor relay list into smaller