Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-22 Thread Paul Syverson
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:09:43PM -0700, Mike Perry wrote: Thus spake Joe Btfsplk (joebtfs...@gmx.com): On 3/21/2011 2:39 PM, Paul Syverson wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0500, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Last comments for a while. (All I have time for, sorry.) I'm just going to

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 3/21/2011 6:38 PM, Al MailingList wrote: That's a very good point klaus. Joe - if you think the US Government is one big cohesive entity that funds projects consistently from a single pool of resources and money then I would politely suggest you may not have had much to do with them :P

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-22 Thread Watson Ladd
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote: Why would any govt create something their enemies can easily use against them, then continue funding it once they know it helps the enemy, if a govt has absolutely no control over it?  It's that simple.  It would seem a

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-22 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 3/22/2011 3:57 PM, Michael Reed wrote: BINGO, we have a winner! The original *QUESTION* posed that led to the invention of Onion Routing was, Can we build a system that allows for bi-directional communications over the Internet where the source and destination cannot be determined by a

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Btfsplk
1st, thanks for the refresher, Paul. I'll bet most users didn't know Tor was started by the NRL. Unfortunately, for many, that won't ease their minds much. I don't have the knowledge skills to check Tor's source code bet well 90% of users don't either. I know (knew) my comments on Tor

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Nick Mathewson
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:40 AM, katmagic the.magical@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:07:49 -0400 Paul Syverson syver...@itd.nrl.navy.mil wrote: universities are in on it, and the supposedly independent researchers who found code flaws were also in on it (or sock puppets created

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Klaus Layer
Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote on 21.03.2011: Again, WHY would Sam develop or fund technology that would make it possible for * their enemies * to communicate anonymously and privately, possibly allowing them to plot against him, with ABSOLUTELY no way to decipher that communication?

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 3/21/2011 2:39 PM, Paul Syverson wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0500, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Last comments for a while. (All I have time for, sorry.) I'm just going to respond to specific issues about system threats and the like. I appreciate your comments the work of all involved

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Lucky Green
On 2011-03-21 16:17, Joe Btfsplk wrote: [...] I don't pretend to know the answers, but know when to ask questions. For all I know, the US wants the enemy to use Tor for plotting, thinking they're anonymous, when they're not. No one's answering my specific questions, possibly because if they

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Al MailingList
That's a very good point klaus. Joe - if you think the US Government is one big cohesive entity that funds projects consistently from a single pool of resources and money then I would politely suggest you may not have had much to do with them :P Alfred On 21 Mar 2011 16:27, Klaus Layer

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Ali-Reza Anghaie
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 3:16 AM, Mike Perry mikepe...@fscked.org wrote: For example: Trust the community. So many different people have worked on, volunteered for, attacked, reviewed, and researched tor-related topics from so many different institutions and backgrounds that it is *the* most

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-21 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Joe Btfsplk (joebtfs...@gmx.com): On 3/21/2011 2:39 PM, Paul Syverson wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0500, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Last comments for a while. (All I have time for, sorry.) I'm just going to respond to specific issues about system threats and the like. I

Re: [tor-talk] Iran cracks down on web dissident technology

2011-03-20 Thread Paul Syverson
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:04:45PM -0500, Edward Langenback wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Joe Btfsplk wrote: On 3/20/2011 5:08 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote: