Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-29 Thread grarpamp
Mostly a summary... http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1751 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S/KEY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPIE_Authentication_System http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTPW These still work well for simple OTP systems. The words are also simple English.

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-25 Thread eliaz
Why not just collect onion addresses in an encrypted file? ... On 2/24/2012 5:36 AM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: Hello Folks, I have a cool idea to make onion addresses memorable. That will have no effect on its authenticity and security. [snip] ___

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-25 Thread Ahmed Hassan
and store that file where? How that encrypted file will be updated? On Sat, 2012-02-25 at 04:09 -0500, eliaz wrote: Why not just collect onion addresses in an encrypted file? ... On 2/24/2012 5:36 AM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: Hello Folks, I have a cool idea to make onion addresses

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 04:09:24AM -0500, eliaz wrote: Why not just collect onion addresses in an encrypted file? ... You might want to look up how they did things before DNS was invented. P.S. You're top-posting. On 2/24/2012 5:36 AM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: Hello Folks, I have a cool

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-25 Thread Ahmed Hassan
OK, here are some real examples I got from a dictionary that has a 67843 words. I collected most of the words from the Bible and Gutenberg project. I used Python to convert to decimal from base 32. DuckDuckGo 3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion = cowboys-slipt-pisanio-utgar-spinnt.onion Official Tor

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-25 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 06:34:02AM -0500, eliaz wrote: Where all the other sensitive files are, and updated as needed. I'm do see how the dictionary scheme might be helpful in some instances, though for some users it might be another complication. But I'm no expert in these matters, just a

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-25 Thread eliaz
Where all the other sensitive files are, and updated as needed. I'm do see how the dictionary scheme might be helpful in some instances, though for some users it might be another complication. But I'm no expert in these matters, just a user. On 2/25/2012 4:12 AM, Ahmed Hassan wrote: and store

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-25 Thread Sebastian Lechte
On 24.02.2012 15:03, Andreas Krey wrote: Have you tried this using the actual dictionaries that you want us to use? Are the resulting addresses really memorable? goric-edema-Alces-rune-pan-coost feign-crig-plane-tret-balli-chela Please consider that not everyone's native language is

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-24 Thread miniBill
Il 24 febbraio 2012 11:36, Ahmed Hassan ah...@linuxism.com ha scritto: Hello Folks, I have a cool idea to make onion addresses memorable. That will have no effect on its authenticity and security. First, I need to define some terms I will use in this email. Σ*_{e}: is any English (or any

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-24 Thread Robert Ransom
On 2012-02-24, Ahmed Hassan ah...@linuxism.com wrote: Hello Folks, I have a cool idea to make onion addresses memorable. That will have no effect on its authenticity and security. First, I need to define some terms I will use in this email. Σ*_{e}: is any English (or any other language)

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-24 Thread Andreas Krey
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 05:36:14 +, Ahmed Hassan wrote: ... cat-rat-hat.onion. More like granoblastic-Congoese-counterirritate-solifluctional-Adeona or shameproof-paralogize-concutient-hypersophisticated-Actinomyxidiida. :-) ... Users will not have an option to explicitly choose onion domain

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-24 Thread Andreas Krey
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:36:45 +, Robert Ransom wrote: ... Which languages do you want us to ship a dictionary for in every Tor client? (Please specify the exact dictionaries you want us to use as well.) Left as an exercise for later. How large are these dictionaries (in bytes)? The last

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-24 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 04:10:48PM +, Robert Ransom wrote: On 2012-02-24, Andreas Krey a.k...@gmx.de wrote: Which node interprets the .onion names to hashes, anyway? Tor clients themselves interpret hidden service hostnames, so every Tor client would need to include every dictionary.

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-24 Thread Robert Ransom
On 2012-02-24, Andreas Krey a.k...@gmx.de wrote: Which node interprets the .onion names to hashes, anyway? Tor clients themselves interpret hidden service hostnames, so every Tor client would need to include every dictionary. (Dictionaries couldn't be kept in an optional extra package, because

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-24 Thread Ahmed Hassan
Well,.. The according to the onion wiki, the length of the onion address is 80 bits. The largest number the onion address can get is: 1208925819614629174706175 That's because FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF is the largest number (unsigned) in hex for 80 bits key length. If we assume we have a

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-24 Thread Andreas Krey
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:47:30 +, Eugen Leitl wrote: ... What's wrong with a P2P name resolution? E.g. namecoin? Everything. :-) Primarily the fact that namecoin provides name-ipaddr mapping, and the whole point of *.onion is that the service addressed ist *not* identified by an IP address.

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-24 Thread Jeremy Rand
Not correct; Namecoin supports mapping names to Tor hidden services, as well as I2P and Freenet sites. Obviously you need to use a Namecoin implementation that's a proxy instead of a DNS server, but that's not a big deal (nmcsocks already implements this). On 2/24/2012 3:22 PM, Andreas Krey

Re: [tor-talk] Let's make Onion Addresses Meaningful To Humans

2012-02-24 Thread Simon Nicolussi
Similar ideas came up in the past. Last year I've implemented something along those lines as part of my Bachelor's thesis, but I wasn't fully satisfied with the results. Still, maybe my work is useful to you or someone else: http://www.sinic.name/docs/bachelor.pdf The most interesting part for