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Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tor's reputation problem with pedo,
some easy steps the community could take
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 01:32:59PM -0400, Chris Patti wrote:
As a newcomer to Tor, as I explored the various onions out there, I felt as
if practically everywhere I turned there were
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Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tor's reputation problem with pedo,
some easy steps the community could take
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 01:32:59PM -0400, Chris Patti wrote:
As a newcomer to Tor, as I explored the various onions out there, I
felt
At 01:50 PM 5/17/2013 -0400, you wrote:
Except I think that in this case Tor is a bit more like a gun than a screw
driver. The good purposes aren't always obvious and the nefarious purposes
are on the forefront of public attention a lot more. It's not a perfect
analogy but I think you see what I'm
On 29.04.2013 21:30, Chris Patti wrote:
Can you stamp them out? No, but can you make it VERY unlikely / difficult
to simply stumble upon them while investigating Tor-space? Yes you can!
And by doing so, you create an environment where people, taking advantage
of the incredibly awesome work
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote:
Part of what we have done a poor job communicating
is that hidden services are a tiny fraction of overall Tor use. The
wikipedia article on Tor is mostly written by hidden service enthusiasts
(as far as I can tell), which
If child pornography being linked on The Hidden Wiki is your main
objection, I recommend checking out the Cleaned Hidden Wiki.
http://3suaolltfj2xjksb.onion/hiddenwiki/index.php/Main_Page
If that's essentially your vision for how The Hidden Wiki should look,
then I would say the only thing you
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Chris Patti:
We'd need something like a Wikipedia with a dedicated group of
volunteers willing to undo each vandalistic act and keep links
clearly labeled.
Are you volunteering?
All I see is a lot of think of the children.
The Hidden Wiki
Tor has a rather severe reputation problem at the moment. Given the recent
revelations around malware on the network, and the pervasiveness of
pedophilia, I think we should consider a course of action to help boost the
network's PR.
For one - while nobody is interested in acting as the police
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 08:51:32PM +0200, Guido Witmond wrote:
However, given the nature of onion sites, I don't know how the police
investigators could track and take down the source without defeating the
anonymity of Tor.
Can't agree with this.
You can get OnionBrowser for pretty much any platform. Download and run,
end of story. I grabbed it for my iPad and within a minute I was up and
running.
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 3:46 PM, David Vorick david.vor...@gmail.comwrote:
Part of the problem is that Tor is
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 03:30:37PM -0400, Chris Patti wrote:
What about simply scouring all the directories, removing links to the pedo
sites?
Please do!
That said, you're already falling into a trap when you say all the
directories. I know the person who ran the hidden wiki -- he shut
it down
On 4/29/2013 12:32 PM, Chris Patti wrote:
Tor has a rather severe reputation problem at the moment. Given the recent
revelations around malware on the network, and the pervasiveness of
pedophilia, I think we should consider a course of action to help boost the
network's PR.
For one - while
Calls such as these, to begin systematic attempts at flagging
directories and removing links, are nothing but thinly disguised
attempts at imposing censorship and control on the Tor network. Let's
be honest and call it what it is.
On 04/29/2013 04:03 PM, Roger Dingledine wrote:
On Mon, Apr 29,
For what it's worth, OnionBrowser is open sourced, it is for Apple
platforms:
https://github.com/mtigas/iOS-OnionBrowser
My point was that using Tor need not be inconvenient at all.
I agree that there's a need for a hidden services directory, but I gather
from what I've read that doing this
OK, you're right. That's a bad idea - what about clearly labeling the pedo
sites as pedo sites?
And once again, please note I am in no way suggesting that *the Tor
project* undertake this effort, but that people who operate the hidden
directories might consider making it a little easier for new
On 04/29/2013 10:19 PM, Joe Btfsplk wrote:
Chris, I agree in principal - about all sorts of illegal activity.
But how could that be done w/o *someone* overseeing all the internet
deciding what should / shouldn't be accessible, becoming judge
jury? I don't know a good solution to this old
I recognize that free speech means free speech for everyone, even those
with views that we find objectionable, but there's nothing to stop the
community from turning a cold shoulder to these people who see informed
consent as being an optional or academic concept.
Public relations,
On 04/29/2013 08:29 PM, Chris Patti wrote:
OK, you're right. That's a bad idea - what about clearly labeling the pedo
sites as pedo sites?
Maybe Tor-optimized-Firefox needs a default safe browsing plugin.
Also, maybe at least some pedo, etc .onion sites would voluntarily label
themselves.
What about a simpler solution?
Can you stamp them out?
What, like genocide? Various parts of the world tried that at various
times in history, it doesn't really work. Neither did the wars on drugs,
terrorism, guns, copyright or any other attempt in history to stamp
whatever it was they tried to
David Vorick david.vor...@gmail.com wrote:
Part of the problem is that Tor is really inconvenient to use. The only
people who hang out on Tor are criminals because generally, it's only worth
the trouble if you are a criminal.
Well, I guess I'll just tell all of the public health activists I
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