Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-10-08 Thread Luther Blissett
On Mon, 2013-10-07 at 15:52 -0400, David Green wrote: Ah, but as far as I am aware (having tried it), it generates a USB disk BUT it is not recognised or bootable from a Mac. What say you? :) Hmm... sorry for that. I had never tried it on a MAC but assumed it would work as well. Now I see

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-10-07 Thread Luther Blissett
On Sun, 2013-10-06 at 13:31 -0400, David Green wrote: I have opened the (personal) Pandora's Box of considering security, etc, and I have been observing this list, so now I am keen for more myself blushing. I have taken note of the recent postings re. distros -- much I have historically

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-10-07 Thread David Green
Ah, but as far as I am aware (having tried it), it generates a USB disk BUT it is not recognised or bootable from a Mac. What say you? :) On 7 October 2013 14:44, Luther Blissett lbliss...@paranoici.org wrote: On Sun, 2013-10-06 at 13:31 -0400, David Green wrote: I have opened the

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-10-06 Thread David Green
I have opened the (personal) Pandora's Box of considering security, etc, and I have been observing this list, so now I am keen for more myself blushing. I have taken note of the recent postings re. distros -- much I have historically considered -- but I have to concerning questions: 1) How does

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-10-02 Thread Luther Blissett
On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 20:07 +0200, Leo Unglaub wrote: Hey, On 2013-09-26 13:58, Nathan Suchy wrote: Wow are you guys really going to argue over what operating system or version the guy uses? He just wants help getting Tor to work on his old operating system. So it is a problem for TOR

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-27 Thread Alexandre Guillioud
\o/ Le jeudi 26 septembre 2013, David Green a écrit : For all of 'you'; I shall appreciate 'security' and tor the more I use 'em and, as Mr Lewman says, the more I get the feel and love of GCC, etc. As I have said before, I innately have, and had, a draw towards Linux/BSD for over 15 years,

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-27 Thread scarp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 David Green: Upgrading to Leopard (10.5) has always been an option for myself, but I invariably find, with minor work, upgrading is never required -- and yes, IMHO, I have never been insecure or threatened in any IT way. I remember as a

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-27 Thread scarp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Nathan Suchy: Wow are you guys really going to argue over what operating system or version the guy uses? He just wants help getting Tor to work on his old operating system. Personally I think Tor should work on Windows 95+ Computers and should

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-27 Thread David Green
;) At the risk of continuing some historical battle, I no doubt agree with the essence of what you say, BUT 1) we are NOT supporting a bottom line and 2) we should do the most for other, non-IT, people to rein in the commercial forces in our industry -- I think things are moving too fast and

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-26 Thread scarp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 David Green: Hello, I am an Ex 'low-level' programmer (assembler, C and C++) of many years back -- well, nothing amazing -- officially some ~13 years ago, due to a head injury. Then you should be able to figure it out yourself. You probably

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-26 Thread Nathan Suchy
Wow are you guys really going to argue over what operating system or version the guy uses? He just wants help getting Tor to work on his old operating system. Personally I think Tor should work on Windows 95+ Computers and should be kept light weight as possible... Also sorry to hear about your

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-26 Thread David Green
Uh, thanks, I guess. I was only asking for pointers and advice, etc, and do much work myself, not to consume anyone else's precious time... I mean, realise they (or you) could be 'saving the world', or some such, by helping a bleeding-edge, essential OS. ;-) Red Hat or Centos and or Debian;

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-26 Thread David Green
Cheers, Nathan -- some other attitudes can be somewhat bewildering. On 26 September 2013 07:58, Nathan Suchy theusernameiwantista...@gmail.comwrote: Wow are you guys really going to argue over what operating system or version the guy uses? He just wants help getting Tor to work on his old

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-26 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 08:32:39AM -0400, David Green wrote: Red Hat or Centos and or Debian; yes they do and have appealed, alas I have a perfectly good and secure OS X Tiger -- which I have no reason to upgrade... SCREECH Oops, I have wasted time defending myself before, so I will not.

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-26 Thread David Green
Eugen, thanks for the info. Upgrading to Leopard (10.5) has always been an option for myself, but I invariably find, with minor work, upgrading is never required -- and yes, IMHO, I have never been insecure or threatened in any IT way. I remember as a programmer that using the latest OS or s/w

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-26 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:29:14AM -0400, David Green wrote: Upgrading to Leopard (10.5) has always been an option for myself, but I invariably find, with minor work, upgrading is never required -- and yes, IMHO, I have never been insecure or threatened in any IT way. I run the system

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-26 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:29:14 -0400 David Green dgrin...@gmail.com wrote: I imagine, like homebrew (mainly for PPC), I would like to eventually set-up a web-site, or sourceforge presence, for *Luddite* like myself ;) Back when I had an OS X 10.4 PPC machine, I had to compile everything

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-26 Thread Nathan Suchy
This thread is soo confusing with 3 different conversations :D Sent from my Android so do not expect a fast, long, or perfect response... On Sep 26, 2013 11:26 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:29:14AM -0400, David Green wrote: Upgrading to Leopard (10.5) has

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-26 Thread David Green
I have an Intel and it is possible I shall have to compile the openssl. On 26 September 2013 11:48, Andrew Lewman and...@torproject.is wrote: On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:29:14 -0400 David Green dgrin...@gmail.com wrote: I imagine, like homebrew (mainly for PPC), I would like to eventually

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-26 Thread Leo Unglaub
Hey, On 2013-09-26 13:58, Nathan Suchy wrote: Wow are you guys really going to argue over what operating system or version the guy uses? He just wants help getting Tor to work on his old operating system. yes, we are argue about that. Because it is simply stupid to use outdated software. It

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-26 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:22:54 -0400 David Green dgrin...@gmail.com wrote: I have an Intel and it is possible I shall have to compile the openssl. Assume you're compiling everything. With unsupported OSes, you'll learn to love gcc and its quirks. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-26 Thread David Green
For all of 'you'; I shall appreciate 'security' and tor the more I use 'em and, as Mr Lewman says, the more I get the feel and love of GCC, etc. As I have said before, I innately have, and had, a draw towards Linux/BSD for over 15 years, but until proven (to me) otherwise, I think my 'quite'

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-25 Thread Al Billings
Good luck with that. Having an OS that isn't missing years and years of security updates isn't being paranoid or being engaged in social control by a vendor. It isn't the bleeding edge either. It is simply being secure. If your operating system isn't getting regular security updates, you're

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-25 Thread mick
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:14:06 -0700 Al Billings alb...@openbuddha.com allegedly wrote: You are aware of the concept of drive by exploits, I hope? You can simply browse the web on an insecure system and with no obvious interaction, you can be infected with malware and owned. Welcome to the

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-25 Thread David Green
Yes of course, but I am unaware of any drive-by exploits on any 'nix computer, let alone one's with reasonable firewalls. :) I do not sit about with my finger where the sun does not shine, but there is easily a point reached where enough is enough (re. personal security). My systems are, from

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-25 Thread David Green
Mick; sorry, you are right. :) I am just seeking where I can, programatically, help in the causes of tor AND, as it happens, a not up to date OS. On 25 September 2013 14:12, mick m...@rlogin.net wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:14:06 -0700 Al Billings alb...@openbuddha.com allegedly wrote:

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-25 Thread David Green
Great Krishna, a much more complete context for MacPorts and (the) Darwin(s). I am slowing working on an 'old' netbook with Linux; it could be interesting to use it to further explore Open/PureDarwin. In the short term I would be interested in discussing / researching how to configure tor to

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-24 Thread Al Billings
There are exploits all the time in various operating systems and tools. Given how old your OS is, there are core things that are simply not addressed in it. You're effectively playing on the Internet with a loaded gun as every time there is a bad exploit that a OS vendor fixes (such as Apple in

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-24 Thread krishna e bera
On 13-09-24 11:49 AM, David Green wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 08:24:40PM -0400, David Green wrote: I have -- for my own reasons -- stopped advancing my OS X machine's OS at Tiger. I enjoy working with it and doing my small-time programming. I have been exposed to 'tor' in the recent past

[tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-23 Thread David Green
Hello, I am an Ex 'low-level' programmer (assembler, C and C++) of many years back -- well, nothing amazing -- officially some ~13 years ago, due to a head injury. As you might not know, a head injury is a programmer's career's sign of death -- I was not interested in tech-support, etc. I am

Re: [tor-talk] development interests

2013-09-23 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 08:24:40PM -0400, David Green wrote: I have -- for my own reasons -- stopped advancing my OS X machine's OS at Tiger. I enjoy working with it and doing my small-time programming. I have been exposed to 'tor' in the recent past and would really like to use it on my