Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-27 Thread Lars Luthman
On Sat, 2015-06-20 at 13:35 +0200, Lars Luthman wrote: With Javascript on you usually get easier captchas that often let you through when you get them right. With Javascript off you get the captchas that look like the names of Lovecraftian deities distorted through non-Euclidean geometries

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-25 Thread Mansour Moufid
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 8:15 PM, Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote: mansour moufid wrote: Sometimes I wonder if it's really Cloudflare, or some bad exit node running a CAPTCHA solving business. Mansour, to what end would they run a captcha solving business? If they were, I don't

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-25 Thread Mansour Moufid
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Joe Btfsplk joebtfs...@gmx.com wrote: OK, but how is that a business for an exit relay? Business implies profit or gaining some benefit. You're saying that some exit relay operator would form business partnerships with sites, to provide captcha services?

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-23 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 6/23/2015 4:04 AM, kleft wrote: mansour moufid wrote: Sometimes I wonder if it's really Cloudflare, or some bad exit node running a CAPTCHA solving business. Mansour, to what end would they run a captcha solving business? If they were, I don't understand how they'd benefit. It's useful

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-23 Thread Çağıl P . Şesto
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 06:53:23PM -0400, Mansour Moufid wrote: Sometimes I wonder if it's really Cloudflare, or some bad exit node running a CAPTCHA solving business. If one doesn't use TLS that is a valid claim. Since the captcha image delivery should originate from google with https in most

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-23 Thread Ben Tasker
You're saying that some exit relay operator would form business partnerships with sites, to provide captcha services? I think the suggestion is they'd provide captcha _solving_ services. If you know where to look, you can find 'businesses' that provide just those services - workers (or users) sat

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-23 Thread Çağıl P . Şesto
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 07:15:24PM -0500, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Is that actually true? (they can track you over various exits) Is that what the design document says? Tor can't protect you, if your browser emits cookies or information about cached content back to an entity that operates global

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-23 Thread Çağıl P . Şesto
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 11:04:37AM +0200, kleft wrote: Boards with illegal content like crimenetwork.biz are using cloudflare too. Thats, why cloudflare should offer them, to distribute their content via a HS via their cdn, and that would be fun for all involved parties. Since a cdn is always

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-23 Thread kleft
Hey there, (TL;dr) Anyway, funny is pirates are using cloudflare too... Please explain? Boards with illegal content like crimenetwork.biz are using cloudflare too. You can't really access sites with cloudflare's security-settings switched to very secure if you don't enable JavaScript. I

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-23 Thread Çağıl P . Şesto
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 06:58:57PM -0500, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Thanks Çağıl, You are welcome. On certain points you made (it seems), it's absolutely trivial for Cloudfare or any entity operating on a large number of sites, to track Tor / TBB users - across domains - on every site visited, that

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-23 Thread Joe Btfsplk
Thanks Çağıl, I'll have to ponder some of your comments. On other points, some highly advanced users may have to jump in comment. On certain points you made (it seems), it's absolutely trivial for Cloudfare or any entity operating on a large number of sites, to track Tor / TBB users - across

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-22 Thread Joe Btfsplk
Thanks for the helpful replies. On 6/22/2015 9:36 AM, Çağıl P. Şesto wrote: A cdn like clouldflare can track you very easy over various exits, tor currently has 1115 relays that are exits, its possible to mark all of them malicious on a blacklist-providers sensor in 15-30 minutes. Is that

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-22 Thread Colin Arnott
If these are the pirates you seek, I much prefer their hidden service, no captchas to be found: http://uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion 22. Jun 2015 14:36 by secp...@abwesend.de: Anyway, funny is pirates are using cloudflare too, I consider them busy until they solve that problem. :) -- tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-22 Thread Mansour Moufid
Sometimes I wonder if it's really Cloudflare, or some bad exit node running a CAPTCHA solving business. -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-22 Thread Çağıl P . Şesto
On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 09:30:11PM -0500, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Just to clarify (to all that replied) - I have JS enabled. At least, when trying to get captchas to work. Then, I'm using Tor Browser's default settings for NoScript. My observations and conclusions: - two captchas, both unreadable

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-20 Thread Mirimir
On 06/20/2015 12:31 AM, Andreas Krey wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 22:38:26 +, Joe Btfsplk wrote: ... Using default browser installation settings? I so rarely have success, that I immediately close tabs for sites presenting Cloudfare. Even when the puzzle is clearly legible (rarely), it

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-20 Thread Lars Luthman
On Fri, 2015-06-19 at 22:38 -0500, Joe Btfsplk wrote: Does anyone have any meaningful success rate with Cloudfare captchas in Tor Browser? Using default browser installation settings? I so rarely have success, that I immediately close tabs for sites presenting Cloudfare. Even when the

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-20 Thread Andreas Krey
On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 22:38:26 +, Joe Btfsplk wrote: ... Using default browser installation settings? I so rarely have success, that I immediately close tabs for sites presenting Cloudfare. Even when the puzzle is clearly legible (rarely), it still doesn't work. The last weeks I was

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-20 Thread Seth
On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 06:43:37 -0700, Juan Miguel Navarro Martínez juanmi.3...@gmail.com wrote: El 20/06/2015 a las 10:18, Mirimir escribió: Is Javascript always needed to get the number photo CAPTCHAs? At least for me, it does 100% of the time: No JS: Infinite unreadable CAPTCHA. JS:

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-20 Thread Çağıl P . Şesto
TL;DR: If you can, consider not using that services/sites find alternatives and promote them. On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 03:43:37PM +0200, Juan Miguel Navarro Martínez wrote: El 20/06/2015 a las 10:18, Mirimir escribió: Is Javascript always needed to get the number photo CAPTCHAs? At least for

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-20 Thread Joe Btfsplk
On 06/20/2015 12:31 AM, Andreas Krey wrote: The last weeks I was usually getting the number photo captchas, and they work. Last week there were more of the hard two word captchas, but even these usually work - sometimes I just reload the page and then I often get a number captcha. Thanks. Yes,

Re: [tor-talk] do Cloudfare captchas ever work?

2015-06-20 Thread Joe Btfsplk
Just to clarify (to all that replied) - I have JS enabled. At least, when trying to get captchas to work. Then, I'm using Tor Browser's default settings for NoScript. I just tried a couple of sites w/ Cloudfare. Today, it worked, but not on the 1st try - even with legible house numbers. But