Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-21 Thread Chris
On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Chris tmail...@errtech.com wrote: Security trough obscurity doesn't scale, so what' the problem? The problem is that I don't know you, I don't know your intentions, and I haven't given you permission to do a security audit, free or otherwise, on my machine. You

Re: [tor-talk] janusvm still safe?

2011-12-21 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 04:43:54AM -0500, h...@safe-mail.net wrote: http://janusvm.com/ last release from Jan-2010, almost got Jan-2012, new tor version just been released... Is janusvm still safe? No, not safe. Probably has been unsafe to use for years. --Roger

Re: [tor-talk] Exit enclaves

2011-12-21 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 03:04:10PM +0100, tor wrote: Q1: Can the relay on the same node as the enclaved server also act as a normal TOR exit node? Yes. Q2: How is it ensured that requests to an enclaved server are always routed through the TOR relay on the same machine? The

Re: [tor-talk] janusvm still safe?

2011-12-21 Thread tor
On 21/12/11 11:17, Roger Dingledine wrote: http://janusvm.com/ last release from Jan-2010, almost got Jan-2012, new tor version just been released... Is janusvm still safe? No, not safe. Probably has been unsafe to use for years. In that case, maybe somebody should contact them and

Re: [tor-talk] janusvm still safe?

2011-12-21 Thread hmoh
Something come up to my mind... Vulnerabilitys could be, - the user forgets to start the VPN, or - the VPN connection breaks down for some reason (Windows bug or crash), traffic continues without Tor I like the basic idea of JanusVM. I can say nothing about the concept of the deployed virtual

Re: [tor-talk] janusvm still safe?

2011-12-21 Thread hmoh
Okay, I mailed both people under http://janusvm.com/contact.html. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-21 Thread Fabio Pietrosanti (naif)
On 12/21/11 1:59 PM, Steven J. Murdoch wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 07:35:50PM +0100, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: Please, get an public IP address, don't announce it, don't do anything. Now please have a look, without even being a Tor Server, how many mass scan your receive. So please,

Re: [tor-talk] janusvm still safe?

2011-12-21 Thread Praedor
Couldn't one simply use Tails in a VM the way JanusVM was designed to run and get the benefits of tails without having to reboot constantly from a general purpose use OS to a task-specific OS (Tails)? It would be nice to run Tails in a VM and have your main OS up and running for virtually

[tor-talk] check.torproject.org outage 21 Dec 2011

2011-12-21 Thread Andrew Lewman
As of late last night 20 Dec (GMT-5) our website hosting provider is experiencing a sustained attack. The attack is not directed at Tor, but someone else on the same network. The effect is that parts of our website infrastructure are intermittently unreachable. This includes the following domains

Re: [tor-talk] check.torproject.org outage 21 Dec 2011

2011-12-21 Thread Moritz Bartl
Is there anything that speaks against multiple check servers to avoid this in the future? On 21.12.2011 17:45, Andrew Lewman wrote: As of late last night 20 Dec (GMT-5) our website hosting provider is experiencing a sustained attack. The attack is not directed at Tor, but someone else on the

Re: [tor-talk] check.torproject.org outage 21 Dec 2011

2011-12-21 Thread Klaus Layer
Andrew Lewman and...@torproject.org wrote on 21.12.2011: As of late last night 20 Dec (GMT-5) our website hosting provider is experiencing a sustained attack. The attack is not directed at Tor, but someone else on the same network. The effect is that parts of our website infrastructure are

[tor-talk] How can I get Vidalia to work when I am loading Tor with a custom torrc file?

2011-12-21 Thread Matthew R
Hello, I was having some problems so reinstalled Tor. Now I am having new issues. I am using Tor 0.2.2.35, Torbutton 1.4.4.1, and Vidalia 0.2.15 under Ubuntu 10.04. I want to use a specific torrc file. When I boot-up, Tor runs. I kill it then run tor -f torrc. I can then use Firefox with my

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-21 Thread Chris
So please, don't bother with that justification, a scan like that would probably just be one scan of 1 you receive every week. The scan which happened yesterday was enough to get the attention of both the university network security team, and the sys-admins of the department which

Re: [tor-talk] janusvm still safe?

2011-12-21 Thread Chris
What I liked about JanusVM is that it's very easy to install and use. I always thought JanusVM had a good central idea although wasn't implemented right. It is too easy to make a mistake. The same thing applies with TBB though. ___ tor-talk mailing

[tor-talk] Tor transparent proxy implementation on Windows

2011-12-21 Thread songso
I am quite convinced of the transparent proxy approach. The concepts sound very convincing. [1] [2] A few old projects do still popup on Google. [3] [4] [5] But all of them are outdated and insecure or the guest operating system is Linux [5]. Even worse, for the Tor Windows transparent proxy

Re: [tor-talk] Exit enclaves

2011-12-21 Thread tor
Thank you very much for the very helpful answers to my questions. I do now much better understand the problems I am facing and how to tackle them. Thanks again, Y ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org

Re: [tor-talk] Tor on two computers, one IP?

2011-12-21 Thread Phillip
On Saturday 17 December 2011 10:42:19 Phillip wrote: Hi, I'm trying to set up tor on two separate computers using one net connection. I have a spare computer, which I want to set up as a relay, permanently using about 1/3 of my bandwidth. On my main computer, I'd like to run a bridge, or

Re: [tor-talk] On verifying security of Tor Routers idea

2011-12-21 Thread Chris
On 12/21/11, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) li...@infosecurity.ch wrote: A lot more than I'm willing to critique. My suggestions are Add a PHASE-0.5: Email out requests for permission to scan permission to publish the scan results to all tor node contact addresses PHASE-1: b) Portscan all Tor

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-21 Thread Steven J. Murdoch
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 02:14:50PM +0100, Fabio Pietrosanti (naif) wrote: If we would send 1 packet every minute, it would take about 22hours to complete the scan, bypassing almost any portscan detection system. That way it would still be possible to map the opened ports / service version,

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-21 Thread Chris
All of these ideas about removing allegedly ‘insecure’ or ‘vulnerable’ relays from the network ignore the fact that someone who wants to compromise Tor relays and use them to attack Tor users will just make the relays appear to not be vulnerable, so that they can stay in the

Re: [tor-talk] On verifying security of Tor Routers idea

2011-12-21 Thread Damian Johnson
I think the best approach is to send off an email with the new proposal to all node operators. Please do not send a mass-email to all relay operators, especially while you're still in a planning phase. This seems pretty obvious, but I wanted to make sure that it was clear - relay operators

Re: [tor-talk] On verifying security of Tor Routers idea

2011-12-21 Thread Robert Ransom
On 2011-12-21, Chris tmail...@errtech.com wrote: I think the best approach is to send off an email with the new proposal to all node operators. See what the response is from the node operators. Let node operators know if they do not explicitly opt out they may be included by default in the

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-21 Thread andrew
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:37:11AM +, g...@xerobank.net wrote 0.3K bytes in 6 lines about: : I trust that all with strong opinions on this issue are at least : somewhat familiar with recent work by Eric Filiol's group.

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-21 Thread Gozu-san
That's good news. So, naif, what got you stirred up about this, if I may ask? On 22/12/11 01:09, and...@torproject.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:37:11AM +, g...@xerobank.net wrote 0.3K bytes in 6 lines about: : I trust that all with strong opinions on this issue are at least :

Re: [tor-talk] How can I get Vidalia to work when I am loading Tor with a custom torrc file?

2011-12-21 Thread Justin Aplin
On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Matthew R wrote: Hello, I was having some problems so reinstalled Tor. Now I am having new issues. I am using Tor 0.2.2.35, Torbutton 1.4.4.1, and Vidalia 0.2.15 under Ubuntu 10.04. I want to use a specific torrc file. When I boot-up, Tor runs. I kill

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-21 Thread Justin Aplin
On Dec 20, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Mike Damm wrote: On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Chris tmail...@errtech.com wrote: Security trough obscurity doesn't scale, so what' the problem? The problem is that I don't know you, I don't know your intentions, and I haven't given you permission to do a

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-21 Thread Lee
On 12/21/11, Justin Aplin jap...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 20, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Mike Damm wrote: On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Chris tmail...@errtech.com wrote: Security trough obscurity doesn't scale, so what' the problem? The problem is that I don't know you, I don't know your intentions,

Re: [tor-talk] Automatic vulnerability scanning of Tor Network?

2011-12-21 Thread Chris
Nope. The probes were annoying, but the killer was my all-in-one consumer grade router/nat/dhcp server/firewall leaking packets into what was supposed to be the secure part of my home network. Maybe you should fix the router? This blaming other people for your own mistakes is getting