Re: [tor-talk] Possibly Smart, Possibly Stupid, Idea Regarding Tor & Linux Distributions

Alec Muffett: > In my previous e-mail I suggested removing Tor from Debian precisely > because of this future-staleness problem. > > I still believe that this is a decent idea, because stale code sucks. > > Another possible solution would be creation of a "Tor Server Bundle" - > designed and

Re: [tor-talk] Possibly Smart, Possibly Stupid, Idea Regarding Tor & Linux Distributions

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Alec Muffett wrote: > On 4 January 2017 at 19:39, grarpamp wrote: > >> > But me, I want to get _everybody_ - teachers, journalists, kids, >> everyone. >> >> Absolutely. Same for whatever functions other overlay networks

Re: [tor-talk] Possibly Smart, Possibly Stupid, Idea Regarding Tor & Linux Distributions

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Sebastian Hahn wrote: >> On 04 Jan 2017, at 12:24, Alec Muffett wrote: >> Large chunks of the Tor community are focused on Tor's primary purpose as >> an anonymising proxy, and that's very, very important. >> >>

Re: [tor-talk] Possibly Smart, Possibly Stupid, Idea Regarding Tor & Linux Distributions

On 4 January 2017 at 19:39, grarpamp wrote: > > But me, I want to get _everybody_ - teachers, journalists, kids, > everyone. > > Absolutely. Same for whatever functions other overlay networks are > good at too. Yet at least with tor, how will that happen when it is >

Re: [tor-talk] Possibly Smart, Possibly Stupid, Idea Regarding Tor & Linux Distributions

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 6:24 AM, Alec Muffett wrote: > Aside: this was part of why we drunken reprobates were doing this stuff at > 33c3 -- https://twitter.com/FiloSottile/status/814641733212536832 -- Some dreprobs in the onions have been doing this for years with

Re: [tor-talk] Possibly Smart, Possibly Stupid, Idea Regarding Tor & Linux Distributions

Hi Alec, > On 04 Jan 2017, at 12:24, Alec Muffett wrote: > > Actually, I don't believe that you do disagree with the problem statement > :-) > > I believe that you may concerns with one of my proposed solutions to the > problem, and that's okay because I do too. :-) >

Re: [tor-talk] Possibly Smart, Possibly Stupid, Idea Regarding Tor & Linux Distributions

Hi Sebastian! On 4 January 2017 at 06:24, Sebastian Hahn wrote: > Hi Alec, > > thanks for your thoughts. I have just one very quick comment, but > it seems you haven't addressed it yet: > Okay, I'll give it a go :-) I install Debian stable on my servers precisely

Re: [tor-talk] Possibly Smart, Possibly Stupid, Idea Regarding Tor & Linux Distributions

Hi Alec, thanks for your thoughts. I have just one very quick comment, but it seems you haven't addressed it yet: > On 03 Jan 2017, at 03:04, Alec Muffett wrote: > > Where I feel that issues arise are in the older Ubuntus and Debians. > > Again, I understand that there

Re: [tor-talk] Possibly Smart, Possibly Stupid, Idea Regarding Tor & Linux Distributions

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 5:04 AM, Alec Muffett wrote: > community of technical experts who bicker amongst themselves about fine Maybe they, or even we, are few who can do that philosophy freely. There is but good and no fault there. > details [...] exposure to that >

Re: [tor-talk] Possibly Smart, Possibly Stupid, Idea Regarding Tor & Linux Distributions

Hello Grarpamp! On 3 January 2017 at 07:32, grarpamp wrote: > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Alec Muffett > wrote: > > Before getting down to details, I hate to have to cite this but I have > been > > [...] not "normal", and I suspect the same can

Re: [tor-talk] Possibly Smart, Possibly Stupid, Idea Regarding Tor & Linux Distributions

On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Alec Muffett wrote: > Before getting down to details, I hate to have to cite this but I have been > [...] not "normal", and I suspect the same can be said of anyone There are many other similar non normals, that is a good thing. > Given

[tor-talk] Possibly Smart, Possibly Stupid, Idea Regarding Tor & Linux Distributions

I will admit that I have not fully thought this through yet, so I am writing this in the hope that other folk will follow up, share their experiences and thoughts. So: I have installed a bunch of Tor systems in the past few months - CentOS, Ubuntu, Raspbian, Debian, OSX-via-Homebrew - and my