Re: [tor-talk] ISP surveillance through Tor?
Very clear, folks! Thank you. Magnificent grafic! Marcos (Brasil) > From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 17:06:07 + > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [tor-talk] ISP surveillance through Tor? > > Seth, > Fantastic graphic. Thanks for posting. > > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > > Marcos Eugenio Kehl writes: > > > > > 2. What informations my ISP manager sees when I connect Tor Browser? > > Something like "Https Tor Network"? Could my ISP catch or sniff some > > download from the first node to my pc, or the download is encrypted? > > > > > > Regards from Brasil! > > > > Bom dia, > > > > We prepared a graphic last year ago to try to help people visualize > > which data is concealed by the use of Tor. > > > > https://www.eff.org/pages/tor-and-https > > > > This graphic lets you click to turn Tor and HTTPS on and off. (Here, > > "HTTPS" means that your browser is using an HTTPS connection to the > > particular web site that you're communicating with.) The kinds of > > data that different entities along the way see or don't see is > > displayed. > > > > There are some surveillance possibilities that the graphic doesn't > > directly address, for example that the timing or amount of data > > you send might allow one of the eavesdroppers to confirm a hypothesis > > or guess about you or what you're accessing. Instead, the graphic shows > > what each entity directly learns from its own eavesdropping or data > > requests, not what they might be able to figure out with further > > analysis. > > > > -- > > Seth Schoen > > Senior Staff Technologist https://www.eff.org/ > > Electronic Frontier Foundation https://www.eff.org/join > > 815 Eddy Street, San Francisco, CA 94109 +1 415 436 9333 x107 > > ___ > > tor-talk mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > > > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ___ tor-talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] ISP surveillance through Tor?
Seth, Fantastic graphic. Thanks for posting. On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Seth David Schoen wrote: > Marcos Eugenio Kehl writes: > > > 2. What informations my ISP manager sees when I connect Tor Browser? > Something like "Https Tor Network"? Could my ISP catch or sniff some > download from the first node to my pc, or the download is encrypted? > > > > Regards from Brasil! > > Bom dia, > > We prepared a graphic last year ago to try to help people visualize > which data is concealed by the use of Tor. > > https://www.eff.org/pages/tor-and-https > > This graphic lets you click to turn Tor and HTTPS on and off. (Here, > "HTTPS" means that your browser is using an HTTPS connection to the > particular web site that you're communicating with.) The kinds of > data that different entities along the way see or don't see is > displayed. > > There are some surveillance possibilities that the graphic doesn't > directly address, for example that the timing or amount of data > you send might allow one of the eavesdroppers to confirm a hypothesis > or guess about you or what you're accessing. Instead, the graphic shows > what each entity directly learns from its own eavesdropping or data > requests, not what they might be able to figure out with further > analysis. > > -- > Seth Schoen > Senior Staff Technologist https://www.eff.org/ > Electronic Frontier Foundation https://www.eff.org/join > 815 Eddy Street, San Francisco, CA 94109 +1 415 436 9333 x107 > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > ___ tor-talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] ISP surveillance through Tor?
Marcos Eugenio Kehl writes: > 2. What informations my ISP manager sees when I connect Tor Browser? > Something like "Https Tor Network"? Could my ISP catch or sniff some download > from the first node to my pc, or the download is encrypted? > > Regards from Brasil! Bom dia, We prepared a graphic last year ago to try to help people visualize which data is concealed by the use of Tor. https://www.eff.org/pages/tor-and-https This graphic lets you click to turn Tor and HTTPS on and off. (Here, "HTTPS" means that your browser is using an HTTPS connection to the particular web site that you're communicating with.) The kinds of data that different entities along the way see or don't see is displayed. There are some surveillance possibilities that the graphic doesn't directly address, for example that the timing or amount of data you send might allow one of the eavesdroppers to confirm a hypothesis or guess about you or what you're accessing. Instead, the graphic shows what each entity directly learns from its own eavesdropping or data requests, not what they might be able to figure out with further analysis. -- Seth Schoen Senior Staff Technologist https://www.eff.org/ Electronic Frontier Foundation https://www.eff.org/join 815 Eddy Street, San Francisco, CA 94109 +1 415 436 9333 x107 ___ tor-talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] ISP surveillance through Tor?
Andreas Krey writes: > On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:26:43 +, Marcos Eugenio Kehl wrote: > > > > Hello friends. > > > > 1. How could my exit Tor node be in Kabul or Kandahar? As "ipcatcher.net" > > showed many times. How it is possible a Tor ISP or relay in Afeganistan? > > Some of the geolocation services have the strange habit to place > addresses they know to be proxies (as tor is) on random places > instead of either saying the true location or "won't tell". There are a few codes that geolocation providers use for "anonymous proxy" (sometimes "A1"). One possibility is that translating this into "Afghanistan" is a result of some kind of coding bug. It happens that the code "A1" is the alphabetically first geolocation country code, while the name "Afghanistan" is the alphabetically first country name in most lists of countries. Maybe somehow a code like A1 gets mapped onto "Afghanistan" even though it wasn't meant to be. -- Seth Schoen Senior Staff Technologist https://www.eff.org/ Electronic Frontier Foundation https://www.eff.org/join 815 Eddy Street, San Francisco, CA 94109 +1 415 436 9333 x107 ___ tor-talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] ISP surveillance through Tor?
On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:26:43 +, Marcos Eugenio Kehl wrote: > > Hello friends. > > 1. How could my exit Tor node be in Kabul or Kandahar? As "ipcatcher.net" > showed many times. How it is possible a Tor ISP or relay in Afeganistan? Some of the geolocation services have the strange habit to place addresses they know to be proxies (as tor is) on random places instead of either saying the true location or "won't tell". Andreas -- "Totally trivial. Famous last words." From: Linus Torvalds Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:29:21 -0800 ___ tor-talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
[tor-talk] ISP surveillance through Tor?
Hello friends. 1. How could my exit Tor node be in Kabul or Kandahar? As "ipcatcher.net" showed many times. How it is possible a Tor ISP or relay in Afeganistan? 2. What informations my ISP manager sees when I connect Tor Browser? Something like "Https Tor Network"? Could my ISP catch or sniff some download from the first node to my pc, or the download is encrypted? Regards from Brasil! ___ tor-talk mailing list [email protected] https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
