Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread verypsb
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread mlsstl
gerardhn wrote: ...Not to be arrogant. Too late. And, to borrow a comment I made elsewhere on the forum, it has always struck me as rather ironic that the subjective evaluation adherents don't think are they affected by subjective bias.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread gerardhn
This is so strange, I report to my honesty that I hear an obvious difference between Jplay and Touch. I only want to mention that. Not more not less. I say you need an high end system to hear the differences. I�m just curious how this is possible. Now my wondering is the following: why

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2012-09-26 Thread AudioDuke
Thanks for developing a great application :) I have been using SBT(EDO)Audiohilleo 1 Metrum Octave DAC with satisfying results for files up to 24/96. Recently tried to play a 24/192 file, but it sounds like slow motion...if this makes sense? Is this because my Metrum is limited to 176 or could

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread Pneumonic
If you have set the Touch up to pass bit perfect digital data to you DAC, yet you are hearing differences with different transports, then I'd consider changing your DAC to one that better rejects the analog noises and distortions that accompany the digital data and which are causing you to hear

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2012-09-26 Thread shkorc
Triode wrote: I'm afraid upgrading the alsa library will be a problem - if there are specific patches for the kernel driver then these can be added but I would need to know which ones. Triode, how can I locate the required patches? I'm used to performing basic operations in the terminal, but

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread garym
gerardhn wrote: This is so strange, I report to my honesty that I hear an obvious difference between Jplay and Touch. I only want to mention that. Not more not less. I say you need an high end system to hear the differences. I�m just curious how this is possible. Now my

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread gerardhn
Gary's, You are really talkingnonsense! So i can get 6000 plus Posts. Where did i posta statement about bit perfect? I posted a observation about a difference and asked a question about bit perfect. I don't see any fact or science from you or your equal posters. Only nonsense. Happy to

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread Supertramp
gerardhn wrote: I say you need an high end system to hear the differences. Here is a response from someone with the exact same touch - cp-800 - ca-2300 - bw 802di (+ a too high amount on cabling). First of all, gerardhn, I have the opinion that your posts are a bit aggressive. This is a

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread garym
gerardhn wrote: Gary's, Where did i posta statement about bit perfect? Hmmm, my mistake. Someone else with your exact name is saying this earlier in the thread: gerardhn wrote: Logitech touch is not bitperfect. Today I took day off to compare the following: [remainder of post

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread gerardhn
Aubuti, Thank for your writing in line with the discussion . Again repeated for the 100 time I never make a diagnosis Read the the subject as defined by me. I make an observation. I make suggestion, a hypothesis , a suggestion , that touch bits are not perfect. Please follow discussion

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread garym
gerardhn wrote: I make an observation. I make suggestion, a hypothesis , a suggestion , that touch bits are not perfect. Please follow discussion line. Please search this forum or use google, etc. There is plenty of documentation already there. There is no need to suggest a hypothesis about

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread dsdreamer
All, hopefully we've now moved beyond trying to convince the OP that the bit values are not being changed by the Touch at full volume and without replay gain etc. What I wanted to raise is whether asynch USB fully eliminates the influence of the source computer. It would seem that one needs

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread gerardhn
Garym, What is said on this on this forum does not be true for me. It became clear to me that most people with thousands of threads ... Leave it. Questioning you I didnot see, read, cannot see, cannot read any evidence why touch is perfect. Except I can see people with thousands of threads

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread sbellon
gerardhn wrote: I think it is a CPU, interrupt, memory management problem. I think you may be right. Looking at the source code of the Touch, interrupts may occur in the middle of a bit. Then, in the interrupt handler, free() is being called and releases only half of the bit. Albeit being very

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread gerardhn
Sbellon, Yes of course, the solution (or problem) is in this area. Can share to you that today I played with a setting in this field: buffer tuning (experimental). Must admit that setting very large (USB only) ... Sounds better. Did not try the last option: very large and randomise CPU. (USB

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread Triode
sbellon wrote: I think you may be right. Looking at the source code of the Touch, interrupts may occur in the middle of a bit. Then, in the interrupt handler, free() is being called and releases only half of the bit. Albeit being very rare, in sum several bits can get lost. As JPlay does

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread azinck3
Triode wrote: sbellon wrote: I think you may be right. Looking at the source code of the Touch, interrupts may occur in the middle of a bit. Then, in the interrupt handler, free() is being called and releases only half of the bit. Albeit being very rare, in sum several bits can get

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread sbellon
Triode wrote: Please explain what you mean that interrupts occur in the middle of a bit? Ouch, I would have thought that it is obvious from my posting that I'm not serious about what I wrote without the need for irony or sarcasm tags. I just could not hesitate to write my posting when

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread kidstypike
azinck3 wrote: Triode: I'm fairly certain sbellon was joking. That was my interpretation too ... kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread Triode
azinck3 wrote: Triode: I'm fairly certain sbellon was joking. OK - apologies then... :) Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread aubuti
sbellon wrote: Ouch, I would have thought that it is obvious from my posting that I'm not serious about what I wrote without the need for irony or sarcasm tags. Damn, now you spoiled the fun. Just as it looked as if you had managed to hook a troll on his own bait. A brilliant post imo,

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2012-09-26 Thread Triode
shkorc wrote: Triode, how can I locate the required patches? I'm used to performing basic operations in the terminal, but never played with Linux kernels. Thanks again for your efforts. Not sure you can - if you can track down which changes to the linux kernel made it work (which version for

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread sbellon
aubuti wrote: Damn, now you spoiled the fun. Just as it looked as if you had managed to hook a troll on his own bait. A brilliant post imo, surpassed only by the OP's Yes, of course response. Sorry, for spoiling that soon, but I got worried as Triode seemed to take my posting serious. My

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread aubuti
No worries, you're absolutely right that you, triode, and others have better things to do than play-acting, regardless of how entertaining it may be for the rest of us. aubuti's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread toby10
This thread is like a train wreck. We know we shouldn't watch, the outcome is predictable and ugly, yet we watch anyway. :) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread gerardhn
Sballon, Happy to know we have different sense of humor! What a brilliant contribution. But very soon the true thinking comes out:, newbie, with no understanding of.. entering (meaning me), and well respected experts (meaning himself). I invite some native English speakers to find the right words

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread ralphpnj
toby10 wrote: This thread is like a train wreck. We know we shouldn't watch, the outcome is predictable and ugly, yet we watch anyway. :) +1 (really should be +1,000,000) ralphpnj's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread gerardhn
Sorry to disturb this incestuous forum of equal writers and thinkers. +??? gerardhn's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57140 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread sbellon
gerardhn wrote: newbie, with no understanding of.. entering (meaning me), and well respected experts (meaning himself). Just to make this clear: By no means I consider myself an expert regarding audio processing. I was referring to the other regulars in this forum who tried to explain things

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Announce: Enhanced Digital Output app - USB Dac and 192k Digital Ouput

2012-09-26 Thread shkorc
I have experimented with another Linux distro beside Ubutnu, i.e. Mageia. It is also running Alsa 1.0.25 but for some reason the DAC is not visible in /proc/asound/cards even though it is mentioned in dmesg. I'm guessing the issue is not because of Alsa version, but something else. I have run a

[SlimDevices: Touch] Wired touch loses connection to server

2012-09-26 Thread jbraveman
I have a new touch connected via ethernet to my network's router. The server is always on and running windows 7: Logitech Media Server Version: 7.7.3 - 1342008352 @ Tue Aug 21 02:04:16 PDT 2012 Hostname: MEDIA-PC Server IP Address: 192.168.0. Server HTTP Port Number: 9000 Operating system:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch digital out is bit perfect or other players have better bits ????

2012-09-26 Thread garym
gerardhn wrote: Sorry to disturb this incestuous forum of equal writers and thinkers. +??? +1 is typical internet forum speak for I agree with what the quoted post said. garym's Profile: