Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-10 Thread perito industriale
Themis;494009 Wrote: Why not getting a Northstar dac, or similar, used, rather than upgrading a cheap dac ? Apgrade only output stage, and power supply. The vdac is a hiend product, not look at the price. To buy something like that should be paid also on the use x40. was compared with EMM

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-09 Thread perito industriale
Kevin Haskins;493694 Wrote: THD+N is pretty useless as a sole metric, that is true. Especially with loudspeakers where the on/off-axis FR measurements are more important. But... when you are splitting hairs over 0.005 THD+N Vs. 0.0001 THD+N, it is almost guaranteed that there is little

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-08 Thread perito industriale
Kevin Haskins;493573 Wrote: Sure.. I'm just pointing out that if you cannot hear a difference, then it doesn't matter.You don't get brownie points for making something less inaudible. I think the Touch used as a server and outputting via SPDIF directly into a DSP or a DAC is the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-08 Thread Themis
perito industriale;493597 Wrote: I will experiment with the internal DAC of the Touch but I think i will use the coax output to connect an external DAC like the Musical Fidelity VDAC that promises good performance at relatively low cost I'll wait until I can listen to the Touch myself,

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-08 Thread perito industriale
Themis;493619 Wrote: I'll wait until I can listen to the Touch myself, nevertheless, all information gathered around converges to one point : you will probably need a much better dac than the V-dac to outperform it. ;) The modified VDAC output stage and power more parties .. you point to

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-08 Thread Kevin Haskins
perito industriale;493597 Wrote: well, depends that which are the quality of the speakers utilized, the environment and which is the ability to hear differences. :-)) For most people is enough quality mp3 that does not mean it's the best, the difference between an mp3 and a wav file I think

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-08 Thread Pat Farrell
Kevin Haskins wrote: I design transducers so I can safely say, it doesn't matter how much you spend, or what the marketing department says, the very most expensive and best loudspeaker has orders of magnitude more distortion than does the DAC in the Touch. ;-) A related point: Often

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-08 Thread perito industriale
Kevin Haskins;493634 Wrote: I design transducers so I can safely say, it doesn't matter how much you spend, or what the marketing department says, the very most expensive and best loudspeaker has orders of magnitude more distortion than does the DAC in the Touch. ;-) That is my only

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-08 Thread Kevin Haskins
perito industriale;493639 Wrote: But that got to do! You're comparing 2 different things. You can not compare the distortion of the signal and the power .. :-O Distortion then is not the only parameter on which you decide the quality of a component hifi / hiend! is important but not the

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-07 Thread liffy99
So does this mean that a Touch, wired to an external Hard Drive (how noisy are the stand alone ones) would remove the need for a NAS ? Presume not if more than one Touch is used (e.g. in another room). Also to get files on and off the hard drive would probably mean hooking up a laptop every time.

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-07 Thread lrossouw
liffy99;493014 Wrote: So does this mean that a Touch, wired to an external Hard Drive (how noisy are the stand alone ones) would remove the need for a NAS ? Presume not if more than one Touch is used (e.g. in another room). Also to get files on and off the hard drive would probably mean

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-07 Thread ModelCitizen
liffy99;493014 Wrote: Also to get files on and off the hard drive would probably mean hooking up a laptop every time. Other players can access your music library eld on the Touch-attached drive. You can share the files in a Touch-attached drive to your network (via Samba) Cool, huh? MCh

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-06 Thread perito industriale
c3p0;492717 Wrote: you can simulate the Squeezebox even the TOUCH by using the free software in the download section. Can you give me the exact link please? -- perito industriale perito industriale's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-06 Thread c3p0
http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com/support/download-squeezebox-server.html and follow instructions from there. According to the Beta Testers for the TOUCH: the audio out is very good, an improved DAC is used, better than previous versions apart from the much more expensive (Troppo Caro)

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-06 Thread perito industriale
the link you give me leads to this page, Download Squeezebox™ Server but I did not find any beta testers for the touch sono impedito?:-)) -- perito industriale perito industriale's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-06 Thread Phil Leigh
perito industriale;492773 Wrote: the link you give me leads to this page, Download Squeezebox™ Server but I did not find any beta testers for the touch sono impedito?:-)) The Touch Beta testers generally agree with C3P0's statements above. (well, I certainly do.) -- Phil Leigh You

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-06 Thread c3p0
There are several items to download: squeezecentre: acts like iTunes but doesn't rip CDs squeezeplay; simulates Touch screen visually bit also allows you to hear the music rather than just control it; ie squeezecentre controls Audio to squeezebox squeezeplay--- plays audio on pc so look

[SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-05 Thread perito industriale
Hello, i turn to the technicians and designers of the apparatus, serebbe very nice if we could clarify some of my questions because I think the subject very interesting. Any answers will be posted on other forums as Italians were no reports of common interest, there is great excitement around

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-05 Thread perito industriale
is understandable my English? -- perito industriale perito industriale's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34754 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72246

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] technical info audiophile about SB Touch

2009-12-05 Thread Phil Leigh
Themis;492708 Wrote: Moreover, as it sounds different from PCM, you can use FLAC compression to act as a tone control. Ten different compression levels = ten different setups ! :D :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call