[Touch-packages] [Bug 1834226] Re: update-notifier doesn't respect "automatically check for updates: Never"
This is a silly and very user hostile bug that is still present in 19.10. Seems crazy that it's basically being ignored. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to software-properties in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1834226 Title: update-notifier doesn't respect "automatically check for updates: Never" Status in software-properties package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in software-properties source package in Eoan: Confirmed Bug description: This has been a long-standing problem with various ubuntu installations, and I'm sensing some reticence in doing anything about it. This attitude also seems to be purposeful to try to cajole updates on people who make bad choices due to confusion/fud/paranoia. apt install fails due to: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it? A great deal of networking is taking place despite setting automatic upgrades to "never". Cycling this doesn't seem to do anything. This action is hostile to programmers and the setting should be respected. Wisdom on threads is to let it update until it's out of updates, and then it supposedly respects the "never" flag, but the experience I'm having is much more non-deterministic. have been using 19.04 for weeks now and still get the background notifier using data and getting in the way of aptitude package installations. I prefer manual update && upgrade once my code is ready to push. Is there another way around this or are people just living with it? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1834226/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1834226] Re: update-notifier doesn't respect "automatically check for updates: Never"
This continues to happen, more aggressively on 19.04 than on previous versions. This system popped up with updates today has been running 19.04 the longest of all my systems with "never" as the selected option and it just keeps checking for updates. I've got two processes seemingly related, one was started by init 14921 1 0 08:37 tty2 00:00:15 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/update- manager --no-update --no-focus-on-map The other must be the gui who has the gnome-session-binary as the parent process 2351 1704 0 08:28 tty2 00:00:00 update-notifier -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to software-properties in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1834226 Title: update-notifier doesn't respect "automatically check for updates: Never" Status in software-properties package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: This has been a long-standing problem with various ubuntu installations, and I'm sensing some reticence in doing anything about it. This attitude also seems to be purposeful to try to cajole updates on people who make bad choices due to confusion/fud/paranoia. apt install fails due to: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it? A great deal of networking is taking place despite setting automatic upgrades to "never". Cycling this doesn't seem to do anything. This action is hostile to programmers and the setting should be respected. Wisdom on threads is to let it update until it's out of updates, and then it supposedly respects the "never" flag, but the experience I'm having is much more non-deterministic. have been using 19.04 for weeks now and still get the background notifier using data and getting in the way of aptitude package installations. I prefer manual update && upgrade once my code is ready to push. Is there another way around this or are people just living with it? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1834226/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1834226] Re: update-notifier doesn't respect "automatically check for updates: Never"
Did a PS on one of these systems this morning. Found some shenanigans. root 3380 1 0 08:25 ?00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily install root 3384 3380 0 08:25 ?00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily lock_is_held install root 3415 3384 99 08:25 ?00:00:09 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade Grep for "updates" yielded this: $ ps -ef | grep upgrade root 1182 1 0 08:22 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/share/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrade-shutdown --wait-for-signal root 3415 3384 14 08:25 ?00:00:22 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade root 5356 3415 1 08:27 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python3 /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade After I killed 3415 I was able to get the apt lock and proceed with a manual `sudo apt-get upgrade` -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to software-properties in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1834226 Title: update-notifier doesn't respect "automatically check for updates: Never" Status in software-properties package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: This has been a long-standing problem with various ubuntu installations, and I'm sensing some reticence in doing anything about it. This attitude also seems to be purposeful to try to cajole updates on people who make bad choices due to confusion/fud/paranoia. apt install fails due to: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it? A great deal of networking is taking place despite setting automatic upgrades to "never". Cycling this doesn't seem to do anything. This action is hostile to programmers and the setting should be respected. Wisdom on threads is to let it update until it's out of updates, and then it supposedly respects the "never" flag, but the experience I'm having is much more non-deterministic. have been using 19.04 for weeks now and still get the background notifier using data and getting in the way of aptitude package installations. I prefer manual update && upgrade once my code is ready to push. Is there another way around this or are people just living with it? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1834226/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1834226] Re: update-notifier doesn't respect "automatically check for updates: Never"
In the updates tab, I keep all three boxes checked under "Install updates from:", because I like to manually run `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade` whenever I have a good stable release of software and feel like stomaching a raft of system changes. In past versions of ubuntu going back 'Dapper Drake', I'd change the setting for "automatically check for updates" and it was generally good about respecting this setting from my recollection. I'm not sure which release changed this but it's for sure worse, the updater tries to run in the background, and I've noticed it's easy to repeat as I've installed 19.04 on various machines. I've got laptops and desktops alike with 19.04 installed, and they all have this problem. I tried letting it actually do the updates, but that didn't work so I generally cancel it. This non-deterministic behavior is nonsensical. When update-notifier runs, check this flag and quit if it's set to 'Never'. There's really nothing else to debug, is there? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to software-properties in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1834226 Title: update-notifier doesn't respect "automatically check for updates: Never" Status in software-properties package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: This has been a long-standing problem with various ubuntu installations, and I'm sensing some reticence in doing anything about it. This attitude also seems to be purposeful to try to cajole updates on people who make bad choices due to confusion/fud/paranoia. apt install fails due to: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it? A great deal of networking is taking place despite setting automatic upgrades to "never". Cycling this doesn't seem to do anything. This action is hostile to programmers and the setting should be respected. Wisdom on threads is to let it update until it's out of updates, and then it supposedly respects the "never" flag, but the experience I'm having is much more non-deterministic. have been using 19.04 for weeks now and still get the background notifier using data and getting in the way of aptitude package installations. I prefer manual update && upgrade once my code is ready to push. Is there another way around this or are people just living with it? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1834226/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
