[Touch-packages] [Bug 1358050] Re: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 1351424 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1351424 ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 1351424 [icons] browser, settings and calculator icons too similar to another well known mobile O/S -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ubuntu-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1358050 Title: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS Status in Canonical System Image: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu UX: In Progress Status in ubuntu-themes package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Attached is a comparison between Windows, Android, iOS(6) and tentative Ubuntu icons. The first 3 application icons bare a striking similarity to the IOS(6) equivalent while the last to Google Maps. The browser icon assumes familiarity with Safari, or possibly Webkit. A user unfamiliar with them may see a compass and map and assume a map. The bigger issue being that the icons are so close to the iOS/Google ones that it may give the appearance of Ubuntu being a cheap knockoff, or worse, be vulnerable to a lawsuit. Apple has sued Samsung over a similar situation before. There are other ways of communicating those apps, which is shown in the Alternate column. These are not meant to be replacements, I'm no designer. They are merely illustrations of a different concept for the icons so as to not be too similar to Apple and Google's offereing: Browser: What was wrong with the earlier globe version? Calculator: Why not a "divide by" button rather than "equal", make all buttons an Ubuntu orange squircle? Contacts: How about a rolodex? Yes people won't be familiar with them, but if they see a contact and information that should be enough Maps: A treasure map would be a very different way of going about it. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1358050/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1358050] Re: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS
** Branch linked: lp:~ci-train-bot/webbrowser-app/webbrowser-app-ubuntu- zesty-2504 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ubuntu-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1358050 Title: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS Status in Canonical System Image: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu UX: In Progress Status in ubuntu-themes package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Attached is a comparison between Windows, Android, iOS(6) and tentative Ubuntu icons. The first 3 application icons bare a striking similarity to the IOS(6) equivalent while the last to Google Maps. The browser icon assumes familiarity with Safari, or possibly Webkit. A user unfamiliar with them may see a compass and map and assume a map. The bigger issue being that the icons are so close to the iOS/Google ones that it may give the appearance of Ubuntu being a cheap knockoff, or worse, be vulnerable to a lawsuit. Apple has sued Samsung over a similar situation before. There are other ways of communicating those apps, which is shown in the Alternate column. These are not meant to be replacements, I'm no designer. They are merely illustrations of a different concept for the icons so as to not be too similar to Apple and Google's offereing: Browser: What was wrong with the earlier globe version? Calculator: Why not a "divide by" button rather than "equal", make all buttons an Ubuntu orange squircle? Contacts: How about a rolodex? Yes people won't be familiar with them, but if they see a contact and information that should be enough Maps: A treasure map would be a very different way of going about it. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1358050/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1358050] Re: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS
** Branch linked: lp:webbrowser-app/staging -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ubuntu-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1358050 Title: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS Status in Canonical System Image: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu UX: In Progress Status in ubuntu-themes package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Attached is a comparison between Windows, Android, iOS(6) and tentative Ubuntu icons. The first 3 application icons bare a striking similarity to the IOS(6) equivalent while the last to Google Maps. The browser icon assumes familiarity with Safari, or possibly Webkit. A user unfamiliar with them may see a compass and map and assume a map. The bigger issue being that the icons are so close to the iOS/Google ones that it may give the appearance of Ubuntu being a cheap knockoff, or worse, be vulnerable to a lawsuit. Apple has sued Samsung over a similar situation before. There are other ways of communicating those apps, which is shown in the Alternate column. These are not meant to be replacements, I'm no designer. They are merely illustrations of a different concept for the icons so as to not be too similar to Apple and Google's offereing: Browser: What was wrong with the earlier globe version? Calculator: Why not a "divide by" button rather than "equal", make all buttons an Ubuntu orange squircle? Contacts: How about a rolodex? Yes people won't be familiar with them, but if they see a contact and information that should be enough Maps: A treasure map would be a very different way of going about it. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1358050/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1358050] Re: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS
** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: Triaged => In Progress -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ubuntu-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1358050 Title: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS Status in Canonical System Image: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu UX: In Progress Status in ubuntu-themes package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Attached is a comparison between Windows, Android, iOS(6) and tentative Ubuntu icons. The first 3 application icons bare a striking similarity to the IOS(6) equivalent while the last to Google Maps. The browser icon assumes familiarity with Safari, or possibly Webkit. A user unfamiliar with them may see a compass and map and assume a map. The bigger issue being that the icons are so close to the iOS/Google ones that it may give the appearance of Ubuntu being a cheap knockoff, or worse, be vulnerable to a lawsuit. Apple has sued Samsung over a similar situation before. There are other ways of communicating those apps, which is shown in the Alternate column. These are not meant to be replacements, I'm no designer. They are merely illustrations of a different concept for the icons so as to not be too similar to Apple and Google's offereing: Browser: What was wrong with the earlier globe version? Calculator: Why not a "divide by" button rather than "equal", make all buttons an Ubuntu orange squircle? Contacts: How about a rolodex? Yes people won't be familiar with them, but if they see a contact and information that should be enough Maps: A treasure map would be a very different way of going about it. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1358050/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1358050] Re: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS
Hi Alan, we're trying to clear the backlog of unassigned bugs that affect Ubuntu-UX, please bear with us as we go through them and try to improve the situation. The designer working on this has just been assigned to this bug. I'm sure he will provide more information when he gets to it ;) Contributions are always very welcome, as far as I can tell :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ubuntu-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1358050 Title: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS Status in Canonical System Image: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu UX: Triaged Status in ubuntu-themes package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Attached is a comparison between Windows, Android, iOS(6) and tentative Ubuntu icons. The first 3 application icons bare a striking similarity to the IOS(6) equivalent while the last to Google Maps. The browser icon assumes familiarity with Safari, or possibly Webkit. A user unfamiliar with them may see a compass and map and assume a map. The bigger issue being that the icons are so close to the iOS/Google ones that it may give the appearance of Ubuntu being a cheap knockoff, or worse, be vulnerable to a lawsuit. Apple has sued Samsung over a similar situation before. There are other ways of communicating those apps, which is shown in the Alternate column. These are not meant to be replacements, I'm no designer. They are merely illustrations of a different concept for the icons so as to not be too similar to Apple and Google's offereing: Browser: What was wrong with the earlier globe version? Calculator: Why not a "divide by" button rather than "equal", make all buttons an Ubuntu orange squircle? Contacts: How about a rolodex? Yes people won't be familiar with them, but if they see a contact and information that should be enough Maps: A treasure map would be a very different way of going about it. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1358050/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1358050] Re: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS
seriously? you are going to wilfully infringe on registered trademarks, you have been offered alternative suggestions and accepting them is low priority? What can the community do to sort this out? I have done two merge requests with different browser icons, both were rejected. The design team clearly don't want to address it, so we have a "patches not welcome" situation. Where do we go from here? Is looking like a cheap knockoff a design goal? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ubuntu-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1358050 Title: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS Status in Canonical System Image: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu UX: Triaged Status in ubuntu-themes package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Attached is a comparison between Windows, Android, iOS(6) and tentative Ubuntu icons. The first 3 application icons bare a striking similarity to the IOS(6) equivalent while the last to Google Maps. The browser icon assumes familiarity with Safari, or possibly Webkit. A user unfamiliar with them may see a compass and map and assume a map. The bigger issue being that the icons are so close to the iOS/Google ones that it may give the appearance of Ubuntu being a cheap knockoff, or worse, be vulnerable to a lawsuit. Apple has sued Samsung over a similar situation before. There are other ways of communicating those apps, which is shown in the Alternate column. These are not meant to be replacements, I'm no designer. They are merely illustrations of a different concept for the icons so as to not be too similar to Apple and Google's offereing: Browser: What was wrong with the earlier globe version? Calculator: Why not a "divide by" button rather than "equal", make all buttons an Ubuntu orange squircle? Contacts: How about a rolodex? Yes people won't be familiar with them, but if they see a contact and information that should be enough Maps: A treasure map would be a very different way of going about it. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1358050/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1358050] Re: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS
** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Assignee: (unassigned) => Matthieu James (tiheum) ** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Status: New => Triaged ** Changed in: ubuntu-ux Importance: Undecided => Low -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ubuntu-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1358050 Title: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS Status in Canonical System Image: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu UX: Triaged Status in ubuntu-themes package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Attached is a comparison between Windows, Android, iOS(6) and tentative Ubuntu icons. The first 3 application icons bare a striking similarity to the IOS(6) equivalent while the last to Google Maps. The browser icon assumes familiarity with Safari, or possibly Webkit. A user unfamiliar with them may see a compass and map and assume a map. The bigger issue being that the icons are so close to the iOS/Google ones that it may give the appearance of Ubuntu being a cheap knockoff, or worse, be vulnerable to a lawsuit. Apple has sued Samsung over a similar situation before. There are other ways of communicating those apps, which is shown in the Alternate column. These are not meant to be replacements, I'm no designer. They are merely illustrations of a different concept for the icons so as to not be too similar to Apple and Google's offereing: Browser: What was wrong with the earlier globe version? Calculator: Why not a "divide by" button rather than "equal", make all buttons an Ubuntu orange squircle? Contacts: How about a rolodex? Yes people won't be familiar with them, but if they see a contact and information that should be enough Maps: A treasure map would be a very different way of going about it. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1358050/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1358050] Re: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS
** Changed in: canonical-devices-system-image Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ubuntu-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1358050 Title: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS Status in Canonical System Image: Confirmed Status in Ubuntu UX: New Status in ubuntu-themes package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Attached is a comparison between Windows, Android, iOS(6) and tentative Ubuntu icons. The first 3 application icons bare a striking similarity to the IOS(6) equivalent while the last to Google Maps. The browser icon assumes familiarity with Safari, or possibly Webkit. A user unfamiliar with them may see a compass and map and assume a map. The bigger issue being that the icons are so close to the iOS/Google ones that it may give the appearance of Ubuntu being a cheap knockoff, or worse, be vulnerable to a lawsuit. Apple has sued Samsung over a similar situation before. There are other ways of communicating those apps, which is shown in the Alternate column. These are not meant to be replacements, I'm no designer. They are merely illustrations of a different concept for the icons so as to not be too similar to Apple and Google's offereing: Browser: What was wrong with the earlier globe version? Calculator: Why not a "divide by" button rather than "equal", make all buttons an Ubuntu orange squircle? Contacts: How about a rolodex? Yes people won't be familiar with them, but if they see a contact and information that should be enough Maps: A treasure map would be a very different way of going about it. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1358050/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1358050] Re: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS
** Also affects: ubuntu-ux Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ubuntu-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1358050 Title: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS Status in Canonical System Image: New Status in Ubuntu UX: New Status in ubuntu-themes package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Attached is a comparison between Windows, Android, iOS(6) and tentative Ubuntu icons. The first 3 application icons bare a striking similarity to the IOS(6) equivalent while the last to Google Maps. The browser icon assumes familiarity with Safari, or possibly Webkit. A user unfamiliar with them may see a compass and map and assume a map. The bigger issue being that the icons are so close to the iOS/Google ones that it may give the appearance of Ubuntu being a cheap knockoff, or worse, be vulnerable to a lawsuit. Apple has sued Samsung over a similar situation before. There are other ways of communicating those apps, which is shown in the Alternate column. These are not meant to be replacements, I'm no designer. They are merely illustrations of a different concept for the icons so as to not be too similar to Apple and Google's offereing: Browser: What was wrong with the earlier globe version? Calculator: Why not a "divide by" button rather than "equal", make all buttons an Ubuntu orange squircle? Contacts: How about a rolodex? Yes people won't be familiar with them, but if they see a contact and information that should be enough Maps: A treasure map would be a very different way of going about it. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1358050/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1358050] Re: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS
** Also affects: canonical-devices-system-image Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ubuntu-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1358050 Title: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS Status in Canonical System Image: New Status in ubuntu-themes package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Attached is a comparison between Windows, Android, iOS(6) and tentative Ubuntu icons. The first 3 application icons bare a striking similarity to the IOS(6) equivalent while the last to Google Maps. The browser icon assumes familiarity with Safari, or possibly Webkit. A user unfamiliar with them may see a compass and map and assume a map. The bigger issue being that the icons are so close to the iOS/Google ones that it may give the appearance of Ubuntu being a cheap knockoff, or worse, be vulnerable to a lawsuit. Apple has sued Samsung over a similar situation before. There are other ways of communicating those apps, which is shown in the Alternate column. These are not meant to be replacements, I'm no designer. They are merely illustrations of a different concept for the icons so as to not be too similar to Apple and Google's offereing: Browser: What was wrong with the earlier globe version? Calculator: Why not a "divide by" button rather than "equal", make all buttons an Ubuntu orange squircle? Contacts: How about a rolodex? Yes people won't be familiar with them, but if they see a contact and information that should be enough Maps: A treasure map would be a very different way of going about it. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1358050/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1358050] Re: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS
I want to comment that an article was posted on OMG! Ubuntu! about solely the browser icon and that alone has been getting a lot of interest. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/06/ubuntu-browser-icon-too-similar-safari -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ubuntu-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1358050 Title: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS Status in ubuntu-themes package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Attached is a comparison between Windows, Android, iOS(6) and tentative Ubuntu icons. The first 3 application icons bare a striking similarity to the IOS(6) equivalent while the last to Google Maps. The browser icon assumes familiarity with Safari, or possibly Webkit. A user unfamiliar with them may see a compass and map and assume a map. The bigger issue being that the icons are so close to the iOS/Google ones that it may give the appearance of Ubuntu being a cheap knockoff, or worse, be vulnerable to a lawsuit. Apple has sued Samsung over a similar situation before. There are other ways of communicating those apps, which is shown in the Alternate column. These are not meant to be replacements, I'm no designer. They are merely illustrations of a different concept for the icons so as to not be too similar to Apple and Google's offereing: Browser: What was wrong with the earlier globe version? Calculator: Why not a "divide by" button rather than "equal", make all buttons an Ubuntu orange squircle? Contacts: How about a rolodex? Yes people won't be familiar with them, but if they see a contact and information that should be enough Maps: A treasure map would be a very different way of going about it. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1358050/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1358050] Re: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS
Nice graphic! I agree with the first three (I haven't seen rolodex's often but I deffo understand that icon). Not sure about the treasure map, I think a normal map is fine, Ubuntu's just needs to be more differentiated. I suppose they have to be a little careful they don't overuse the Ubuntu orange as well, we need different colours for different apps. Maybe Ubuntu could figure out different colours for different sets of apps? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ubuntu-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1358050 Title: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS Status in ubuntu-themes package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Attached is a comparison between Windows, Android, iOS(6) and tentative Ubuntu icons. The first 3 application icons bare a striking similarity to the IOS(6) equivalent while the last to Google Maps. The browser icon assumes familiarity with Safari, or possibly Webkit. A user unfamiliar with them may see a compass and map and assume a map. The bigger issue being that the icons are so close to the iOS/Google ones that it may give the appearance of Ubuntu being a cheap knockoff, or worse, be vulnerable to a lawsuit. Apple has sued Samsung over a similar situation before. There are other ways of communicating those apps, which is shown in the Alternate column. These are not meant to be replacements, I'm no designer. They are merely illustrations of a different concept for the icons so as to not be too similar to Apple and Google's offereing: Browser: What was wrong with the earlier globe version? Calculator: Why not a "divide by" button rather than "equal", make all buttons an Ubuntu orange squircle? Contacts: How about a rolodex? Yes people won't be familiar with them, but if they see a contact and information that should be enough Maps: A treasure map would be a very different way of going about it. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1358050/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1358050] Re: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: ubuntu-themes (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to ubuntu-themes in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1358050 Title: Some icons assume familiarity with other OS Status in “ubuntu-themes” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: Attached is a comparison between Windows, Android, iOS(6) and tentative Ubuntu icons. The first 3 application icons bare a striking similarity to the IOS(6) equivalent while the last to Google Maps. The browser icon assumes familiarity with Safari, or possibly Webkit. A user unfamiliar with them may see a compass and map and assume a map. The bigger issue being that the icons are so close to the iOS/Google ones that it may give the appearance of Ubuntu being a cheap knockoff, or worse, be vulnerable to a lawsuit. Apple has sued Samsung over a similar situation before. There are other ways of communicating those apps, which is shown in the Alternate column. These are not meant to be replacements, I'm no designer. They are merely illustrations of a different concept for the icons so as to not be too similar to Apple and Google's offereing: Browser: What was wrong with the earlier globe version? Calculator: Why not a "divide by" button rather than "equal", make all buttons an Ubuntu orange squircle? Contacts: How about a rolodex? Yes people won't be familiar with them, but if they see a contact and information that should be enough Maps: A treasure map would be a very different way of going about it. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-themes/+bug/1358050/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
