[Touch-packages] [Bug 1371590] Re: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button
[Expired for unity (Ubuntu) because there has been no activity for 60 days.] ** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Expired -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button Status in Unity: Expired Status in unity package in Ubuntu: Expired Bug description: There is a really old usability bug relating to mouse accuracy, which Ubuntu 14.04 has rediscovered in its global menu. Basically, it's super easy to move your pointer fast and hard to the extreme edge and corners of the screen, so you can hit targets placed there quickly. But the global menu only activates if the cursor is a pixel or two from the top of the screen. This is a massive usability bug. The example from the 90s (yes, 20 years ago) is that Win 95's start button was offset from the bottom left corner by a couple of pixels. That made it hard for people to hit, and if they'd only put it flush with the bottom left it would have been way way easier to click. Hence snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - e.g. in this post from 2000 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html Hopefully this is an easy fix: extend the mouseover activation area for the global menu to the top of the screen. Right to the top zeroth row of pixels. Please? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1371590] Re: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button
[Expired for Unity because there has been no activity for 60 days.] ** Changed in: unity Status: Incomplete = Expired -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button Status in Unity: Expired Status in unity package in Ubuntu: Expired Bug description: There is a really old usability bug relating to mouse accuracy, which Ubuntu 14.04 has rediscovered in its global menu. Basically, it's super easy to move your pointer fast and hard to the extreme edge and corners of the screen, so you can hit targets placed there quickly. But the global menu only activates if the cursor is a pixel or two from the top of the screen. This is a massive usability bug. The example from the 90s (yes, 20 years ago) is that Win 95's start button was offset from the bottom left corner by a couple of pixels. That made it hard for people to hit, and if they'd only put it flush with the bottom left it would have been way way easier to click. Hence snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - e.g. in this post from 2000 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html Hopefully this is an easy fix: extend the mouseover activation area for the global menu to the top of the screen. Right to the top zeroth row of pixels. Please? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1371590] Re: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button
Oops - spoke too soon. Bug still present. Seems to be not quite 100% reproducible - correct behaviour occurs for some programs and some window configurations (maximised vs windowed), and possibly depending on how many programs have been opened since boot. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button Status in Unity: Incomplete Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: There is a really old usability bug relating to mouse accuracy, which Ubuntu 14.04 has rediscovered in its global menu. Basically, it's super easy to move your pointer fast and hard to the extreme edge and corners of the screen, so you can hit targets placed there quickly. But the global menu only activates if the cursor is a pixel or two from the top of the screen. This is a massive usability bug. The example from the 90s (yes, 20 years ago) is that Win 95's start button was offset from the bottom left corner by a couple of pixels. That made it hard for people to hit, and if they'd only put it flush with the bottom left it would have been way way easier to click. Hence snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - e.g. in this post from 2000 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html Hopefully this is an easy fix: extend the mouseover activation area for the global menu to the top of the screen. Right to the top zeroth row of pixels. Please? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1371590] Re: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button
For other reasons, I just moved all my ~/.* config files to a backup directory, rebuilt and reinstalled the NVIDIA driver (from NVIDIA's package), and this bug is gone, on my workstation at least. Both laptop and workstation were upgraded from 12.04 to 14.04 (apt-get dist-upgrade) , so perhaps some stale config is the cause? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button Status in Unity: Incomplete Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: There is a really old usability bug relating to mouse accuracy, which Ubuntu 14.04 has rediscovered in its global menu. Basically, it's super easy to move your pointer fast and hard to the extreme edge and corners of the screen, so you can hit targets placed there quickly. But the global menu only activates if the cursor is a pixel or two from the top of the screen. This is a massive usability bug. The example from the 90s (yes, 20 years ago) is that Win 95's start button was offset from the bottom left corner by a couple of pixels. That made it hard for people to hit, and if they'd only put it flush with the bottom left it would have been way way easier to click. Hence snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - e.g. in this post from 2000 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html Hopefully this is an easy fix: extend the mouseover activation area for the global menu to the top of the screen. Right to the top zeroth row of pixels. Please? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Touch-packages] [Bug 1371590] Re: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button
Hi Stephen, I had the same thought, but the devices are very different - a laptop with Intel graphics and a workstation with NVIDIA graphics and two monitors (one rotated 90°), so it seems unlikely to be just a config problem. Is there some debug / config info that would help test your idea? On 17 October 2014 14:43, Stephen M. Webb stephen.w...@canonical.com wrote: This sounds remarkably like an X11 configuration issue. The only time I've ever seen anything like it is when a monitor gives incorrect EDID information or physical screens are explicitly placed incorrectly within the X11 virtual screen using xrandr. Could this possibly be a themeing issue? -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button Status in Unity: Incomplete Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: There is a really old usability bug relating to mouse accuracy, which Ubuntu 14.04 has rediscovered in its global menu. Basically, it's super easy to move your pointer fast and hard to the extreme edge and corners of the screen, so you can hit targets placed there quickly. But the global menu only activates if the cursor is a pixel or two from the top of the screen. This is a massive usability bug. The example from the 90s (yes, 20 years ago) is that Win 95's start button was offset from the bottom left corner by a couple of pixels. That made it hard for people to hit, and if they'd only put it flush with the bottom left it would have been way way easier to click. Hence snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - e.g. in this post from 2000 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html Hopefully this is an easy fix: extend the mouseover activation area for the global menu to the top of the screen. Right to the top zeroth row of pixels. Please? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1371590] Re: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button
I just noticed that on a fresh boot, with only 'Videos' application open, expected behaviour occurs (menu items appear with cursor hard to top of screen). BUT - when I open another application (Thunderbird) both it and 'Videos' go back to the buggy behaviour - menu items only appear with cursor slightly away from absolute top of screen. So behaviour is somewhat inconsistent. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button Status in Unity: Incomplete Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: There is a really old usability bug relating to mouse accuracy, which Ubuntu 14.04 has rediscovered in its global menu. Basically, it's super easy to move your pointer fast and hard to the extreme edge and corners of the screen, so you can hit targets placed there quickly. But the global menu only activates if the cursor is a pixel or two from the top of the screen. This is a massive usability bug. The example from the 90s (yes, 20 years ago) is that Win 95's start button was offset from the bottom left corner by a couple of pixels. That made it hard for people to hit, and if they'd only put it flush with the bottom left it would have been way way easier to click. Hence snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - e.g. in this post from 2000 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html Hopefully this is an easy fix: extend the mouseover activation area for the global menu to the top of the screen. Right to the top zeroth row of pixels. Please? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1371590] Re: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button
This sounds remarkably like an X11 configuration issue. The only time I've ever seen anything like it is when a monitor gives incorrect EDID information or physical screens are explicitly placed incorrectly within the X11 virtual screen using xrandr. Could this possibly be a themeing issue? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button Status in Unity: Incomplete Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: There is a really old usability bug relating to mouse accuracy, which Ubuntu 14.04 has rediscovered in its global menu. Basically, it's super easy to move your pointer fast and hard to the extreme edge and corners of the screen, so you can hit targets placed there quickly. But the global menu only activates if the cursor is a pixel or two from the top of the screen. This is a massive usability bug. The example from the 90s (yes, 20 years ago) is that Win 95's start button was offset from the bottom left corner by a couple of pixels. That made it hard for people to hit, and if they'd only put it flush with the bottom left it would have been way way easier to click. Hence snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - e.g. in this post from 2000 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html Hopefully this is an easy fix: extend the mouseover activation area for the global menu to the top of the screen. Right to the top zeroth row of pixels. Please? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1371590] Re: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button
Thanks for looking at this. It's 100% consistent for me, on two very different devices, so I'm surprised that everyone else is having such trouble reproducing it. Perhaps the cursors are the problem, and the pointer is more pointy than expected, after the upgrade? I wanted to attach screenshots but I see now the cursor is excluded from the capture, unlike previous versions. It's literally a one pixel row difference in position that hides the menu bar items. It almost looks as though the cursor point itself is extending beyond the top limit of the monitor (i.e. into negative y values). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button Status in Unity: Incomplete Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: There is a really old usability bug relating to mouse accuracy, which Ubuntu 14.04 has rediscovered in its global menu. Basically, it's super easy to move your pointer fast and hard to the extreme edge and corners of the screen, so you can hit targets placed there quickly. But the global menu only activates if the cursor is a pixel or two from the top of the screen. This is a massive usability bug. The example from the 90s (yes, 20 years ago) is that Win 95's start button was offset from the bottom left corner by a couple of pixels. That made it hard for people to hit, and if they'd only put it flush with the bottom left it would have been way way easier to click. Hence snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - e.g. in this post from 2000 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html Hopefully this is an easy fix: extend the mouseover activation area for the global menu to the top of the screen. Right to the top zeroth row of pixels. Please? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1371590] Re: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button
OK, here's a little video from my phone showing the menu disappearing and reappearing as the cursor goes over it. ** Attachment added: 14090026.mp4 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1371590/+attachment/4214025/+files/14090026.mp4 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button Status in Unity: Incomplete Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: There is a really old usability bug relating to mouse accuracy, which Ubuntu 14.04 has rediscovered in its global menu. Basically, it's super easy to move your pointer fast and hard to the extreme edge and corners of the screen, so you can hit targets placed there quickly. But the global menu only activates if the cursor is a pixel or two from the top of the screen. This is a massive usability bug. The example from the 90s (yes, 20 years ago) is that Win 95's start button was offset from the bottom left corner by a couple of pixels. That made it hard for people to hit, and if they'd only put it flush with the bottom left it would have been way way easier to click. Hence snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - e.g. in this post from 2000 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html Hopefully this is an easy fix: extend the mouseover activation area for the global menu to the top of the screen. Right to the top zeroth row of pixels. Please? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Touch-packages] [Bug 1371590] Re: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button
Yes, it's 100% reproducible. The global menu bar does appear, but only if the mouse is a little bit (one pixel or so) away from the top, and not right at the top of the screen. The global menu bar menu items disappear when the mouse is pushed to the very top of the screen and reappear when the mouse cursor is brought back down. It affects a multi-monitor setup on NVIDIA's proprietary drivers (Dell T7600 with GTX 680) and my single-monitor laptop (Vaio SZ650) with really old Intel GM965 open drivers. Both machines were upgraded from Ubuntu 12.04 LTS to 14.04 LTS. On 22 September 2014 14:08, Andrea Azzarone 1371...@bugs.launchpad.net wrote: It works here. Is this 100% reproducible? ** Changed in: unity Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete ** Changed in: unity Status: In Progress = Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug report. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button Status in Unity: Incomplete Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: There is a really old usability bug relating to mouse accuracy, which Ubuntu 14.04 has rediscovered in its global menu. Basically, it's super easy to move your pointer fast and hard to the extreme edge and corners of the screen, so you can hit targets placed there quickly. But the global menu only activates if the cursor is a pixel or two from the top of the screen. This is a massive usability bug. The example from the 90s (yes, 20 years ago) is that Win 95's start button was offset from the bottom left corner by a couple of pixels. That made it hard for people to hit, and if they'd only put it flush with the bottom left it would have been way way easier to click. Hence snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - e.g. in this post from 2000 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html Hopefully this is an easy fix: extend the mouseover activation area for the global menu to the top of the screen. Right to the top zeroth row of pixels. Please? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1371590] Re: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button
I can't reproduce this here... Actually we already extend the input area to the top of the monitor, so I can't reproduce this as well -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button Status in Unity: Incomplete Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: There is a really old usability bug relating to mouse accuracy, which Ubuntu 14.04 has rediscovered in its global menu. Basically, it's super easy to move your pointer fast and hard to the extreme edge and corners of the screen, so you can hit targets placed there quickly. But the global menu only activates if the cursor is a pixel or two from the top of the screen. This is a massive usability bug. The example from the 90s (yes, 20 years ago) is that Win 95's start button was offset from the bottom left corner by a couple of pixels. That made it hard for people to hit, and if they'd only put it flush with the bottom left it would have been way way easier to click. Hence snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - e.g. in this post from 2000 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html Hopefully this is an easy fix: extend the mouseover activation area for the global menu to the top of the screen. Right to the top zeroth row of pixels. Please? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1371590] Re: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button
It works here. Is this 100% reproducible? ** Changed in: unity Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Status: New = Incomplete ** Changed in: unity Status: In Progress = Incomplete -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1371590 Title: Global menu bar snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, à la Windows 95 Start button Status in Unity: Incomplete Status in “unity” package in Ubuntu: Incomplete Bug description: There is a really old usability bug relating to mouse accuracy, which Ubuntu 14.04 has rediscovered in its global menu. Basically, it's super easy to move your pointer fast and hard to the extreme edge and corners of the screen, so you can hit targets placed there quickly. But the global menu only activates if the cursor is a pixel or two from the top of the screen. This is a massive usability bug. The example from the 90s (yes, 20 years ago) is that Win 95's start button was offset from the bottom left corner by a couple of pixels. That made it hard for people to hit, and if they'd only put it flush with the bottom left it would have been way way easier to click. Hence snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - e.g. in this post from 2000 http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/chapters/fog63.html Hopefully this is an easy fix: extend the mouseover activation area for the global menu to the top of the screen. Right to the top zeroth row of pixels. Please? To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1371590/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
