[Touch-packages] [Bug 1841654] Re: Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
With mawk 1.3.4.20200120-1 being uploaded to Debian testing now I
suggest to mark this bug here as invalid and just sync the new mawk
version to Focal. There is a separate bug for just updating mawk
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mawk/+bug/1332114 Let's follow
up there...
** Changed in: mawk (Ubuntu)
Status: Confirmed => Opinion
** Changed in: ubuntu-mate-meta (Ubuntu)
Status: Confirmed => Opinion
** Changed in: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
Status: Confirmed => Opinion
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Title:
Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
Status in mawk package in Ubuntu:
Opinion
Status in ubuntu-mate-meta package in Ubuntu:
Opinion
Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
Opinion
Bug description:
For POSIX compatibility reasons Ubuntu ships with mawk ("Mike's awk" =
mawk) in main. There is an awk-symlink to mawk, thus mawk is the
official awk implementation in Ubuntu.
== Reasons against keeping mawk ==
*The mawk package is synced from debian and it is heavily
undermaintained: Debian (and thus Ubuntu) still ships version
1.3.3-17, the same version at least since oldoldstable:
https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names=mawk
*maintainer Thomas E. Dickey (https://invisible-island.net/mawk/)
called officially out that Debian "neglected" mawk in 2014 ("As noted,
mawk has been neglected by some packagers (see for example this
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=mawk)". And
Debian (and Ubuntu) still ship the same version five years later
*Most other distributions ship mawk at least in its last official
incarnation 1.3.4 in their repositories. Dickey lists AIX, Fedora,
FinkPorts (Mac OS X), FreeBSD port, Gentoo, HPUX, MacPorts (Mac OS X),
NetBSD pkgsrc/lang, OpenCSW (Solaris). That version is from 2014 but
updated snapshots are released in regular intervals. The current
snapshot is from February 2019: https://github.com/ThomasDickey/mawk-
snapshots/blob/ab13a164013940e90c0b1ad36a039feae06a0b65/CHANGES
*A planned rewrite mawk2 was planned by original author Mike Brennan
in 2016 but obviously came to nothing:
https://github.com/ploxiln/mawk-2/commits/master
*Thus mawk sits in Ubuntu main in a version published upstream in 2009
and celebrates its 10th anniversary of negligence. In a state that
Debian was called out for 5 years ago.
*This year it is 10 years unmaintained and largely untouched. At the
end of the next LTS-support-cycle we can celebrate 15 years of not
supporting it.
*awk is included in Linux for POSIX standard compliance. Mawk is known
to be fast and small but it is the implementation that is farthest
from being POSIX compliant, missing things like named character
classes like [[:space:]] within its EREs.
== Reasons for gawk as a replacement ==
*It is the official GNU awk implementation and known to work well with
the rest of the GNU userland.
*It is actively maintained with the last version 5.01 shipping in
June, 2019 (even if Ubuntu will obviously still ship 4.2 for Eoan).
*It is mostly compliant with the POSIX standard.
*Most other distributions ship it as the standard POSIX
implementation, with a awk symlink. So it had security reviews already
by Red Hat and others.
== Possible problems with switching to gawk in time for Ubuntu 20.4 ==
- It might need to be MIRed by the Ubuntu security team and a review
might take some time. So I filed this bug early with Eoan not yet out
of the door.
- It is much larger than mawk, the Ubuntu package is 1600 kB in size,
while mawk is only about 190KB. Thus some might want to split out some
basic functionality to save size. Like what is vim-tiny to vim. To
start gawk in --traditional or --posix mode and disable the extensions
at compile time might be a good start to reduce the size. See:
https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/html_node/Additional-
Configuration-Options.html#Additional-Configuration-Options
=
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 19.04
Package: mawk 1.3.3-17ubuntu3
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.0.0-27.28-generic 5.0.21
Uname: Linux 5.0.0-27-generic x86_64
ApportVersion: 2.20.10-0ubuntu27.1
Architecture: amd64
CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
Date: Tue Aug 27 20:12:11 2019
Dependencies:
gcc-9-base 9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libc6 2.29-0ubuntu2
libgcc1 1:9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libidn2-0 2.0.5-1
libunistring2 0.9.10-1ubuntu2
InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-02-23 (550 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Alpha amd64 (20180214)
ProcEnviron:
LANGUAGE=de_AT:de
PATH=(custom, no user)
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=
LANG=de_AT.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: mawk
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1841654] Re: Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
I would prefer to have a current mawk in Ubuntu, but if that does not
happen, replacing mawk with gawk would be appreciated.
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Title:
Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
Status in mawk package in Ubuntu:
Confirmed
Status in ubuntu-mate-meta package in Ubuntu:
Confirmed
Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
Confirmed
Bug description:
For POSIX compatibility reasons Ubuntu ships with mawk ("Mike's awk" =
mawk) in main. There is an awk-symlink to mawk, thus mawk is the
official awk implementation in Ubuntu.
== Reasons against keeping mawk ==
*The mawk package is synced from debian and it is heavily
undermaintained: Debian (and thus Ubuntu) still ships version
1.3.3-17, the same version at least since oldoldstable:
https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names=mawk
*maintainer Thomas E. Dickey (https://invisible-island.net/mawk/)
called officially out that Debian "neglected" mawk in 2014 ("As noted,
mawk has been neglected by some packagers (see for example this
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=mawk)". And
Debian (and Ubuntu) still ship the same version five years later
*Most other distributions ship mawk at least in its last official
incarnation 1.3.4 in their repositories. Dickey lists AIX, Fedora,
FinkPorts (Mac OS X), FreeBSD port, Gentoo, HPUX, MacPorts (Mac OS X),
NetBSD pkgsrc/lang, OpenCSW (Solaris). That version is from 2014 but
updated snapshots are released in regular intervals. The current
snapshot is from February 2019: https://github.com/ThomasDickey/mawk-
snapshots/blob/ab13a164013940e90c0b1ad36a039feae06a0b65/CHANGES
*A planned rewrite mawk2 was planned by original author Mike Brennan
in 2016 but obviously came to nothing:
https://github.com/ploxiln/mawk-2/commits/master
*Thus mawk sits in Ubuntu main in a version published upstream in 2009
and celebrates its 10th anniversary of negligence. In a state that
Debian was called out for 5 years ago.
*This year it is 10 years unmaintained and largely untouched. At the
end of the next LTS-support-cycle we can celebrate 15 years of not
supporting it.
*awk is included in Linux for POSIX standard compliance. Mawk is known
to be fast and small but it is the implementation that is farthest
from being POSIX compliant, missing things like named character
classes like [[:space:]] within its EREs.
== Reasons for gawk as a replacement ==
*It is the official GNU awk implementation and known to work well with
the rest of the GNU userland.
*It is actively maintained with the last version 5.01 shipping in
June, 2019 (even if Ubuntu will obviously still ship 4.2 for Eoan).
*It is mostly compliant with the POSIX standard.
*Most other distributions ship it as the standard POSIX
implementation, with a awk symlink. So it had security reviews already
by Red Hat and others.
== Possible problems with switching to gawk in time for Ubuntu 20.4 ==
- It might need to be MIRed by the Ubuntu security team and a review
might take some time. So I filed this bug early with Eoan not yet out
of the door.
- It is much larger than mawk, the Ubuntu package is 1600 kB in size,
while mawk is only about 190KB. Thus some might want to split out some
basic functionality to save size. Like what is vim-tiny to vim. To
start gawk in --traditional or --posix mode and disable the extensions
at compile time might be a good start to reduce the size. See:
https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/html_node/Additional-
Configuration-Options.html#Additional-Configuration-Options
=
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 19.04
Package: mawk 1.3.3-17ubuntu3
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.0.0-27.28-generic 5.0.21
Uname: Linux 5.0.0-27-generic x86_64
ApportVersion: 2.20.10-0ubuntu27.1
Architecture: amd64
CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
Date: Tue Aug 27 20:12:11 2019
Dependencies:
gcc-9-base 9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libc6 2.29-0ubuntu2
libgcc1 1:9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libidn2-0 2.0.5-1
libunistring2 0.9.10-1ubuntu2
InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-02-23 (550 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Alpha amd64 (20180214)
ProcEnviron:
LANGUAGE=de_AT:de
PATH=(custom, no user)
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=
LANG=de_AT.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: mawk
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
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** Also affects: ubuntu-mate-meta (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** Changed in: ubuntu-mate-meta (Ubuntu)
Status: New => Confirmed
** Tags added: eoan
** Tags removed: amd64 indeed wayland-session
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Title:
Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
Status in mawk package in Ubuntu:
Confirmed
Status in ubuntu-mate-meta package in Ubuntu:
Confirmed
Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
Confirmed
Bug description:
For POSIX compatibility reasons Ubuntu ships with mawk ("Mike's awk" =
mawk) in main. There is an awk-symlink to mawk, thus mawk is the
official awk implementation in Ubuntu.
== Reasons against keeping mawk ==
*The mawk package is synced from debian and it is heavily
undermaintained: Debian (and thus Ubuntu) still ships version
1.3.3-17, the same version at least since oldoldstable:
https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names=mawk
*maintainer Thomas E. Dickey (https://invisible-island.net/mawk/)
called officially out that Debian "neglected" mawk in 2014 ("As noted,
mawk has been neglected by some packagers (see for example this
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=mawk)". And
Debian (and Ubuntu) still ship the same version five years later
*Most other distributions ship mawk at least in its last official
incarnation 1.3.4 in their repositories. Dickey lists AIX, Fedora,
FinkPorts (Mac OS X), FreeBSD port, Gentoo, HPUX, MacPorts (Mac OS X),
NetBSD pkgsrc/lang, OpenCSW (Solaris). That version is from 2014 but
updated snapshots are released in regular intervals. The current
snapshot is from February 2019: https://github.com/ThomasDickey/mawk-
snapshots/blob/ab13a164013940e90c0b1ad36a039feae06a0b65/CHANGES
*A planned rewrite mawk2 was planned by original author Mike Brennan
in 2016 but obviously came to nothing:
https://github.com/ploxiln/mawk-2/commits/master
*Thus mawk sits in Ubuntu main in a version published upstream in 2009
and celebrates its 10th anniversary of negligence. In a state that
Debian was called out for 5 years ago.
*This year it is 10 years unmaintained and largely untouched. At the
end of the next LTS-support-cycle we can celebrate 15 years of not
supporting it.
*awk is included in Linux for POSIX standard compliance. Mawk is known
to be fast and small but it is the implementation that is farthest
from being POSIX compliant, missing things like named character
classes like [[:space:]] within its EREs.
== Reasons for gawk as a replacement ==
*It is the official GNU awk implementation and known to work well with
the rest of the GNU userland.
*It is actively maintained with the last version 5.01 shipping in
June, 2019 (even if Ubuntu will obviously still ship 4.2 for Eoan).
*It is mostly compliant with the POSIX standard.
*Most other distributions ship it as the standard POSIX
implementation, with a awk symlink. So it had security reviews already
by Red Hat and others.
== Possible problems with switching to gawk in time for Ubuntu 20.4 ==
- It might need to be MIRed by the Ubuntu security team and a review
might take some time. So I filed this bug early with Eoan not yet out
of the door.
- It is much larger than mawk, the Ubuntu package is 1600 kB in size,
while mawk is only about 190KB. Thus some might want to split out some
basic functionality to save size. Like what is vim-tiny to vim. To
start gawk in --traditional or --posix mode and disable the extensions
at compile time might be a good start to reduce the size. See:
https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/html_node/Additional-
Configuration-Options.html#Additional-Configuration-Options
=
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 19.04
Package: mawk 1.3.3-17ubuntu3
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.0.0-27.28-generic 5.0.21
Uname: Linux 5.0.0-27-generic x86_64
ApportVersion: 2.20.10-0ubuntu27.1
Architecture: amd64
CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
Date: Tue Aug 27 20:12:11 2019
Dependencies:
gcc-9-base 9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libc6 2.29-0ubuntu2
libgcc1 1:9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libidn2-0 2.0.5-1
libunistring2 0.9.10-1ubuntu2
InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-02-23 (550 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Alpha amd64 (20180214)
ProcEnviron:
LANGUAGE=de_AT:de
PATH=(custom, no user)
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=
LANG=de_AT.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: mawk
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1841654] Re: Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
We (Indeed) were recently hit by mawk posix non-compliance as well. For
all the reasons stated above, I would also like to see mawk replaced
with gawk in main. I'd also like to see the mawk dependencies in the
ubuntu-meta packages replaced with gawk. For that reason I'm opening a
separate target for this bug in ubuntu-meta.
** Also affects: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** Tags added: indeed
** Changed in: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
Status: New => Confirmed
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Title:
Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
Status in mawk package in Ubuntu:
Confirmed
Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
Confirmed
Bug description:
For POSIX compatibility reasons Ubuntu ships with mawk ("Mike's awk" =
mawk) in main. There is an awk-symlink to mawk, thus mawk is the
official awk implementation in Ubuntu.
== Reasons against keeping mawk ==
*The mawk package is synced from debian and it is heavily
undermaintained: Debian (and thus Ubuntu) still ships version
1.3.3-17, the same version at least since oldoldstable:
https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names=mawk
*maintainer Thomas E. Dickey (https://invisible-island.net/mawk/)
called officially out that Debian "neglected" mawk in 2014 ("As noted,
mawk has been neglected by some packagers (see for example this
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=mawk)". And
Debian (and Ubuntu) still ship the same version five years later
*Most other distributions ship mawk at least in its last official
incarnation 1.3.4 in their repositories. Dickey lists AIX, Fedora,
FinkPorts (Mac OS X), FreeBSD port, Gentoo, HPUX, MacPorts (Mac OS X),
NetBSD pkgsrc/lang, OpenCSW (Solaris). That version is from 2014 but
updated snapshots are released in regular intervals. The current
snapshot is from February 2019: https://github.com/ThomasDickey/mawk-
snapshots/blob/ab13a164013940e90c0b1ad36a039feae06a0b65/CHANGES
*A planned rewrite mawk2 was planned by original author Mike Brennan
in 2016 but obviously came to nothing:
https://github.com/ploxiln/mawk-2/commits/master
*Thus mawk sits in Ubuntu main in a version published upstream in 2009
and celebrates its 10th anniversary of negligence. In a state that
Debian was called out for 5 years ago.
*This year it is 10 years unmaintained and largely untouched. At the
end of the next LTS-support-cycle we can celebrate 15 years of not
supporting it.
*awk is included in Linux for POSIX standard compliance. Mawk is known
to be fast and small but it is the implementation that is farthest
from being POSIX compliant, missing things like named character
classes like [[:space:]] within its EREs.
== Reasons for gawk as a replacement ==
*It is the official GNU awk implementation and known to work well with
the rest of the GNU userland.
*It is actively maintained with the last version 5.01 shipping in
June, 2019 (even if Ubuntu will obviously still ship 4.2 for Eoan).
*It is mostly compliant with the POSIX standard.
*Most other distributions ship it as the standard POSIX
implementation, with a awk symlink. So it had security reviews already
by Red Hat and others.
== Possible problems with switching to gawk in time for Ubuntu 20.4 ==
- It might need to be MIRed by the Ubuntu security team and a review
might take some time. So I filed this bug early with Eoan not yet out
of the door.
- It is much larger than mawk, the Ubuntu package is 1600 kB in size,
while mawk is only about 190KB. Thus some might want to split out some
basic functionality to save size. Like what is vim-tiny to vim. To
start gawk in --traditional or --posix mode and disable the extensions
at compile time might be a good start to reduce the size. See:
https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/html_node/Additional-
Configuration-Options.html#Additional-Configuration-Options
=
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 19.04
Package: mawk 1.3.3-17ubuntu3
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.0.0-27.28-generic 5.0.21
Uname: Linux 5.0.0-27-generic x86_64
ApportVersion: 2.20.10-0ubuntu27.1
Architecture: amd64
CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
Date: Tue Aug 27 20:12:11 2019
Dependencies:
gcc-9-base 9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libc6 2.29-0ubuntu2
libgcc1 1:9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libidn2-0 2.0.5-1
libunistring2 0.9.10-1ubuntu2
InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-02-23 (550 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Alpha amd64 (20180214)
ProcEnviron:
LANGUAGE=de_AT:de
PATH=(custom, no user)
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=
LANG=de_AT.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: mawk
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1841654] Re: Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.
** Changed in: mawk (Ubuntu)
Status: New => Confirmed
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Title:
Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
Status in mawk package in Ubuntu:
Confirmed
Bug description:
For POSIX compatibility reasons Ubuntu ships with mawk ("Mike's awk" =
mawk) in main. There is an awk-symlink to mawk, thus mawk is the
official awk implementation in Ubuntu.
== Reasons against keeping mawk ==
*The mawk package is synced from debian and it is heavily
undermaintained: Debian (and thus Ubuntu) still ships version
1.3.3-17, the same version at least since oldoldstable:
https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names=mawk
*maintainer Thomas E. Dickey (https://invisible-island.net/mawk/)
called officially out that Debian "neglected" mawk in 2014 ("As noted,
mawk has been neglected by some packagers (see for example this
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=mawk)". And
Debian (and Ubuntu) still ship the same version five years later
*Most other distributions ship mawk at least in its last official
incarnation 1.3.4 in their repositories. Dickey lists AIX, Fedora,
FinkPorts (Mac OS X), FreeBSD port, Gentoo, HPUX, MacPorts (Mac OS X),
NetBSD pkgsrc/lang, OpenCSW (Solaris). That version is from 2014 but
updated snapshots are released in regular intervals. The current
snapshot is from February 2019: https://github.com/ThomasDickey/mawk-
snapshots/blob/ab13a164013940e90c0b1ad36a039feae06a0b65/CHANGES
*A planned rewrite mawk2 was planned by original author Mike Brennan
in 2016 but obviously came to nothing:
https://github.com/ploxiln/mawk-2/commits/master
*Thus mawk sits in Ubuntu main in a version published upstream in 2009
and celebrates its 10th anniversary of negligence. In a state that
Debian was called out for 5 years ago.
*This year it is 10 years unmaintained and largely untouched. At the
end of the next LTS-support-cycle we can celebrate 15 years of not
supporting it.
*awk is included in Linux for POSIX standard compliance. Mawk is known
to be fast and small but it is the implementation that is farthest
from being POSIX compliant, missing things like named character
classes like [[:space:]] within its EREs.
== Reasons for gawk as a replacement ==
*It is the official GNU awk implementation and known to work well with
the rest of the GNU userland.
*It is actively maintained with the last version 5.01 shipping in
June, 2019 (even if Ubuntu will obviously still ship 4.2 for Eoan).
*It is mostly compliant with the POSIX standard.
*Most other distributions ship it as the standard POSIX
implementation, with a awk symlink. So it had security reviews already
by Red Hat and others.
== Possible problems with switching to gawk in time for Ubuntu 20.4 ==
- It might need to be MIRed by the Ubuntu security team and a review
might take some time. So I filed this bug early with Eoan not yet out
of the door.
- It is much larger than mawk, the Ubuntu package is 1600 kB in size,
while mawk is only about 190KB. Thus some might want to split out some
basic functionality to save size. Like what is vim-tiny to vim. To
start gawk in --traditional or --posix mode and disable the extensions
at compile time might be a good start to reduce the size. See:
https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/html_node/Additional-
Configuration-Options.html#Additional-Configuration-Options
=
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 19.04
Package: mawk 1.3.3-17ubuntu3
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.0.0-27.28-generic 5.0.21
Uname: Linux 5.0.0-27-generic x86_64
ApportVersion: 2.20.10-0ubuntu27.1
Architecture: amd64
CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
Date: Tue Aug 27 20:12:11 2019
Dependencies:
gcc-9-base 9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libc6 2.29-0ubuntu2
libgcc1 1:9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libidn2-0 2.0.5-1
libunistring2 0.9.10-1ubuntu2
InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-02-23 (550 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Alpha amd64 (20180214)
ProcEnviron:
LANGUAGE=de_AT:de
PATH=(custom, no user)
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=
LANG=de_AT.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: mawk
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1841654] Re: Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
NetBSD pkgsrc has a more recent version of mawk than stated in this
report:
http://pkgsrc.se/lang/mawk
2019-02-15) Updated to version: mawk-1.3.4.20171017
MacPorts has the 2019-02-03 version:
https://github.com/macports/macports-
ports/blob/master/lang/mawk/Portfile
The report as worded implies that none of the various packages are newer
than "1.3.4" by omitting most of the details about patchlevel. In
practice, the age of packages says more about the ported platform than
the programs which are provided on that platform.
Regarding OpenCSW, the same comments about old version apply to gawk:
https://www.opencsw.org/packages/gawk/
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Title:
Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
Status in mawk package in Ubuntu:
New
Bug description:
For POSIX compatibility reasons Ubuntu ships with mawk ("Mike's awk" =
mawk) in main. There is an awk-symlink to mawk, thus mawk is the
official awk implementation in Ubuntu.
== Reasons against keeping mawk ==
*The mawk package is synced from debian and it is heavily
undermaintained: Debian (and thus Ubuntu) still ships version
1.3.3-17, the same version at least since oldoldstable:
https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names=mawk
*maintainer Thomas E. Dickey (https://invisible-island.net/mawk/)
called officially out that Debian "neglected" mawk in 2014 ("As noted,
mawk has been neglected by some packagers (see for example this
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=mawk)". And
Debian (and Ubuntu) still ship the same version five years later
*Most other distributions ship mawk at least in its last official
incarnation 1.3.4 in their repositories. Dickey lists AIX, Fedora,
FinkPorts (Mac OS X), FreeBSD port, Gentoo, HPUX, MacPorts (Mac OS X),
NetBSD pkgsrc/lang, OpenCSW (Solaris). That version is from 2014 but
updated snapshots are released in regular intervals. The current
snapshot is from February 2019: https://github.com/ThomasDickey/mawk-
snapshots/blob/ab13a164013940e90c0b1ad36a039feae06a0b65/CHANGES
*A planned rewrite mawk2 was planned by original author Mike Brennan
in 2016 but obviously came to nothing:
https://github.com/ploxiln/mawk-2/commits/master
*Thus mawk sits in Ubuntu main in a version published upstream in 2009
and celebrates its 10th anniversary of negligence. In a state that
Debian was called out for 5 years ago.
*This year it is 10 years unmaintained and largely untouched. At the
end of the next LTS-support-cycle we can celebrate 15 years of not
supporting it.
*awk is included in Linux for POSIX standard compliance. Mawk is known
to be fast and small but it is the implementation that is farthest
from being POSIX compliant, missing things like named character
classes like [[:space:]] within its EREs.
== Reasons for gawk as a replacement ==
*It is the official GNU awk implementation and known to work well with
the rest of the GNU userland.
*It is actively maintained with the last version 5.01 shipping in
June, 2019 (even if Ubuntu will obviously still ship 4.2 for Eoan).
*It is mostly compliant with the POSIX standard.
*Most other distributions ship it as the standard POSIX
implementation, with a awk symlink. So it had security reviews already
by Red Hat and others.
== Possible problems with switching to gawk in time for Ubuntu 20.4 ==
- It might need to be MIRed by the Ubuntu security team and a review
might take some time. So I filed this bug early with Eoan not yet out
of the door.
- It is much larger than mawk, the Ubuntu package is 1600 kB in size,
while mawk is only about 190KB. Thus some might want to split out some
basic functionality to save size. Like what is vim-tiny to vim. To
start gawk in --traditional or --posix mode and disable the extensions
at compile time might be a good start to reduce the size. See:
https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/html_node/Additional-
Configuration-Options.html#Additional-Configuration-Options
=
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 19.04
Package: mawk 1.3.3-17ubuntu3
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.0.0-27.28-generic 5.0.21
Uname: Linux 5.0.0-27-generic x86_64
ApportVersion: 2.20.10-0ubuntu27.1
Architecture: amd64
CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
Date: Tue Aug 27 20:12:11 2019
Dependencies:
gcc-9-base 9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libc6 2.29-0ubuntu2
libgcc1 1:9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libidn2-0 2.0.5-1
libunistring2 0.9.10-1ubuntu2
InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-02-23 (550 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Alpha amd64 (20180214)
ProcEnviron:
LANGUAGE=de_AT:de
PATH=(custom, no user)
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=
LANG=de_AT.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1841654] Re: Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
Updated the description to include links to your current snapshots.
Sorry for not finding them in the first place.
** Description changed:
For POSIX compatibility reasons Ubuntu ships with mawk ("Mike's awk" =
mawk) in main. There is an awk-symlink to mawk, thus mawk is the
official awk implementation in Ubuntu.
== Reasons against keeping mawk ==
*The mawk package is synced from debian and it is heavily
undermaintained: Debian (and thus Ubuntu) still ships version 1.3.3-17,
the same version at least since oldoldstable:
https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names=mawk
*maintainer Thomas E. Dickey (https://invisible-island.net/mawk/) called
officially out that Debian "neglected" mawk in 2014 ("As noted, mawk has
been neglected by some packagers (see for example this
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=mawk)". And Debian
(and Ubuntu) still ship the same version five years later
*Most other distributions ship mawk at least in its last official
incarnation 1.3.4 in their repositories. Dickey lists AIX, Fedora,
FinkPorts (Mac OS X), FreeBSD port, Gentoo, HPUX, MacPorts (Mac OS X),
- NetBSD pkgsrc/lang, OpenCSW (Solaris). That version is from 2014 and at
- first it looked like it wasn't developed anymore:
- https://github.com/ThomasDickey/mawk-20140914/commits/master A recent
- comment by Thomas Dickey below indicates that he is still maintaining
- mawk.
+ NetBSD pkgsrc/lang, OpenCSW (Solaris). That version is from 2014 but
+ updated snapshots are released in regular intervals. The current
+ snapshot is from February 2019: https://github.com/ThomasDickey/mawk-
+ snapshots/blob/ab13a164013940e90c0b1ad36a039feae06a0b65/CHANGES
*A planned rewrite mawk2 was planned by original author Mike Brennan in
2016 but obviously came to nothing:
https://github.com/ploxiln/mawk-2/commits/master
*Thus mawk sits in Ubuntu main in a version published upstream in 2009
and celebrates its 10th anniversary of negligence. In a state that
Debian was called out for 5 years ago.
*This year it is 10 years unmaintained and largely untouched. At the end
of the next LTS-support-cycle we can celebrate 15 years of not
supporting it.
*awk is included in Linux for POSIX standard compliance. Mawk is known
to be fast and small but it is the implementation that is farthest from
being POSIX compliant, missing things like named character classes like
[[:space:]] within its EREs.
== Reasons for gawk as a replacement ==
*It is the official GNU awk implementation and known to work well with
the rest of the GNU userland.
*It is actively maintained with the last version 5.01 shipping in June,
2019 (even if Ubuntu will obviously still ship 4.2 for Eoan).
*It is mostly compliant with the POSIX standard.
*Most other distributions ship it as the standard POSIX implementation,
with a awk symlink. So it had security reviews already by Red Hat and
others.
== Possible problems with switching to gawk in time for Ubuntu 20.4 ==
- It might need to be MIRed by the Ubuntu security team and a review
might take some time. So I filed this bug early with Eoan not yet out of
the door.
- It is much larger than mawk, the Ubuntu package is 1600 kB in size,
while mawk is only about 190KB. Thus some might want to split out some
basic functionality to save size. Like what is vim-tiny to vim. To start
gawk in --traditional or --posix mode and disable the extensions at
compile time might be a good start to reduce the size. See:
https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/html_node/Additional-
Configuration-Options.html#Additional-Configuration-Options
=
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 19.04
Package: mawk 1.3.3-17ubuntu3
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.0.0-27.28-generic 5.0.21
Uname: Linux 5.0.0-27-generic x86_64
ApportVersion: 2.20.10-0ubuntu27.1
Architecture: amd64
CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
Date: Tue Aug 27 20:12:11 2019
Dependencies:
gcc-9-base 9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libc6 2.29-0ubuntu2
libgcc1 1:9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libidn2-0 2.0.5-1
libunistring2 0.9.10-1ubuntu2
InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-02-23 (550 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Alpha amd64 (20180214)
ProcEnviron:
LANGUAGE=de_AT:de
PATH=(custom, no user)
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=
LANG=de_AT.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: mawk
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
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Title:
Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
Status in mawk package in Ubuntu:
New
Bug description:
For POSIX compatibility reasons Ubuntu ships with mawk ("Mike's awk" =
mawk) in main. There is an
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1841654] Re: Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
I updated the webpage last week, to reduce confusion:
https://invisible-island.net/mawk/mawk.html
However, back to the stated issue: if the packager follows the same
guidelines as previously stated (100% compatibility with the existing
scripts, no effort whatsoever required of the packager), it's not likely
that any change will be made.
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Title:
Consider replacing mawk with gawk in main
Status in mawk package in Ubuntu:
New
Bug description:
For POSIX compatibility reasons Ubuntu ships with mawk ("Mike's awk" =
mawk) in main. There is an awk-symlink to mawk, thus mawk is the
official awk implementation in Ubuntu.
== Reasons against keeping mawk ==
*The mawk package is synced from debian and it is heavily
undermaintained: Debian (and thus Ubuntu) still ships version
1.3.3-17, the same version at least since oldoldstable:
https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names=mawk
*maintainer Thomas E. Dickey (https://invisible-island.net/mawk/)
called officially out that Debian "neglected" mawk in 2014 ("As noted,
mawk has been neglected by some packagers (see for example this
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=mawk)". And
Debian (and Ubuntu) still ship the same version five years later
*Most other distributions ship mawk at least in its last official
incarnation 1.3.4 in their repositories. Dickey lists AIX, Fedora,
FinkPorts (Mac OS X), FreeBSD port, Gentoo, HPUX, MacPorts (Mac OS X),
NetBSD pkgsrc/lang, OpenCSW (Solaris). That version is from 2014 and
at first it looked like it wasn't developed anymore:
https://github.com/ThomasDickey/mawk-20140914/commits/master A recent
comment by Thomas Dickey below indicates that he is still maintaining
mawk.
*A planned rewrite mawk2 was planned by original author Mike Brennan
in 2016 but obviously came to nothing:
https://github.com/ploxiln/mawk-2/commits/master
*Thus mawk sits in Ubuntu main in a version published upstream in 2009
and celebrates its 10th anniversary of negligence. In a state that
Debian was called out for 5 years ago.
*This year it is 10 years unmaintained and largely untouched. At the
end of the next LTS-support-cycle we can celebrate 15 years of not
supporting it.
*awk is included in Linux for POSIX standard compliance. Mawk is known
to be fast and small but it is the implementation that is farthest
from being POSIX compliant, missing things like named character
classes like [[:space:]] within its EREs.
== Reasons for gawk as a replacement ==
*It is the official GNU awk implementation and known to work well with
the rest of the GNU userland.
*It is actively maintained with the last version 5.01 shipping in
June, 2019 (even if Ubuntu will obviously still ship 4.2 for Eoan).
*It is mostly compliant with the POSIX standard.
*Most other distributions ship it as the standard POSIX
implementation, with a awk symlink. So it had security reviews already
by Red Hat and others.
== Possible problems with switching to gawk in time for Ubuntu 20.4 ==
- It might need to be MIRed by the Ubuntu security team and a review
might take some time. So I filed this bug early with Eoan not yet out
of the door.
- It is much larger than mawk, the Ubuntu package is 1600 kB in size,
while mawk is only about 190KB. Thus some might want to split out some
basic functionality to save size. Like what is vim-tiny to vim. To
start gawk in --traditional or --posix mode and disable the extensions
at compile time might be a good start to reduce the size. See:
https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/html_node/Additional-
Configuration-Options.html#Additional-Configuration-Options
=
ProblemType: Bug
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 19.04
Package: mawk 1.3.3-17ubuntu3
ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.0.0-27.28-generic 5.0.21
Uname: Linux 5.0.0-27-generic x86_64
ApportVersion: 2.20.10-0ubuntu27.1
Architecture: amd64
CurrentDesktop: ubuntu:GNOME
Date: Tue Aug 27 20:12:11 2019
Dependencies:
gcc-9-base 9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libc6 2.29-0ubuntu2
libgcc1 1:9.1.0-2ubuntu2~19.04
libidn2-0 2.0.5-1
libunistring2 0.9.10-1ubuntu2
InstallationDate: Installed on 2018-02-23 (550 days ago)
InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Alpha amd64 (20180214)
ProcEnviron:
LANGUAGE=de_AT:de
PATH=(custom, no user)
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=
LANG=de_AT.UTF-8
SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: mawk
UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)
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