[Touch-packages] [Bug 1886161] Re: UU should work on roaming laptops
We'll eventually get a retry support in apt, if updating failed, but there are no plans to react to connection state changes. The retry will be linear every 10 minutes or so I suppose, but can't be sure, we'll have to see - I'd do exponential, but systemd does not give us an option for that. Any change is not suitable for backporting to old releases. Tthis is a tough topic, but our behavior wrt to updating is not different from other major platforms - e.g. Android only installs updates in the same conditions. It just gets the service triggered automatically if it missed it due to conditions, but systemd does not retrigger nor does it know about network state. FWIW, I believe that all desktops do have their own integration, because they need to for every other distribution, because that's how PackageKit works. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1886161 Title: UU should work on roaming laptops Status in apt package in Ubuntu: New Status in gnome-settings-daemon package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: For many if not most laptop computers, Unattended Upgrades seems all but useless by design. For upgrades to happen, with default config, 3 conditions must be met: - an internet connection must be up and running when the timer or cron or anacron tries the unattended upgrade - the connection must not be metered, whatever that means (Skip-Updates-On-Metered-Connections "true") - the computer must be plugged in (OnlyOnACPower "true") These are insurmountable problems for many laptops on the go. Inevitably, security upgrades will almost never run unattended on such computers. I discovered with shock that Unattended Upgrades had almost never run on my laptop. I tried all possible config tweaks. Nothing worked reliably and in the end I gave up and wrote a upgrade script which uses Network Manager's connection-up hook. Unattended Upgrades needs to do something like this out of the box. Users should not need to write scripts to ensure security upgrades. Unattended upgrades is an excellent project for servers. But it really needs to work, out of the box, on laptops too. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1886161/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1886161] Re: UU should work on roaming laptops
@Julian, the issue isn't really a desktop one, or we need to fix every desktop out there to do their own integration which doesn't make sense. Also some users do work from a VT and they should also be able to get security updates ** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) Status: New => Incomplete ** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided => Low ** Changed in: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1886161 Title: UU should work on roaming laptops Status in apt package in Ubuntu: New Status in gnome-settings-daemon package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: For many if not most laptop computers, Unattended Upgrades seems all but useless by design. For upgrades to happen, with default config, 3 conditions must be met: - an internet connection must be up and running when the timer or cron or anacron tries the unattended upgrade - the connection must not be metered, whatever that means (Skip-Updates-On-Metered-Connections "true") - the computer must be plugged in (OnlyOnACPower "true") These are insurmountable problems for many laptops on the go. Inevitably, security upgrades will almost never run unattended on such computers. I discovered with shock that Unattended Upgrades had almost never run on my laptop. I tried all possible config tweaks. Nothing worked reliably and in the end I gave up and wrote a upgrade script which uses Network Manager's connection-up hook. Unattended Upgrades needs to do something like this out of the box. Users should not need to write scripts to ensure security upgrades. Unattended upgrades is an excellent project for servers. But it really needs to work, out of the box, on laptops too. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1886161/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1886161] Re: UU should work on roaming laptops
This is not going to happen in apt. It's a question for desktop how to do that, probably disabling the downloading in apt, and using gnome's package kit refresh stuff instead. ** Also affects: gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to apt in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1886161 Title: UU should work on roaming laptops Status in apt package in Ubuntu: New Status in gnome-settings-daemon package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: For many if not most laptop computers, Unattended Upgrades seems all but useless by design. For upgrades to happen, with default config, 3 conditions must be met: - an internet connection must be up and running when the timer or cron or anacron tries the unattended upgrade - the connection must not be metered, whatever that means (Skip-Updates-On-Metered-Connections "true") - the computer must be plugged in (OnlyOnACPower "true") These are insurmountable problems for many laptops on the go. Inevitably, security upgrades will almost never run unattended on such computers. I discovered with shock that Unattended Upgrades had almost never run on my laptop. I tried all possible config tweaks. Nothing worked reliably and in the end I gave up and wrote a upgrade script which uses Network Manager's connection-up hook. Unattended Upgrades needs to do something like this out of the box. Users should not need to write scripts to ensure security upgrades. Unattended upgrades is an excellent project for servers. But it really needs to work, out of the box, on laptops too. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1886161/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1886161] Re: UU should work on roaming laptops
It is actually APT that triggers the u-u runs, so if there is anything that can be fixed around timing that can be done on APT. I agree that it would be desired to download packages even on roaming laptops. ** Package changed: unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) => apt (Ubuntu) ** Changed in: apt (Ubuntu) Status: Invalid => Opinion ** Changed in: apt (Ubuntu) Status: Opinion => New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unattended-upgrades in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1886161 Title: UU should work on roaming laptops Status in apt package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: For many if not most laptop computers, Unattended Upgrades seems all but useless by design. For upgrades to happen, with default config, 3 conditions must be met: - an internet connection must be up and running when the timer or cron or anacron tries the unattended upgrade - the connection must not be metered, whatever that means (Skip-Updates-On-Metered-Connections "true") - the computer must be plugged in (OnlyOnACPower "true") These are insurmountable problems for many laptops on the go. Inevitably, security upgrades will almost never run unattended on such computers. I discovered with shock that Unattended Upgrades had almost never run on my laptop. I tried all possible config tweaks. Nothing worked reliably and in the end I gave up and wrote a upgrade script which uses Network Manager's connection-up hook. Unattended Upgrades needs to do something like this out of the box. Users should not need to write scripts to ensure security upgrades. Unattended upgrades is an excellent project for servers. But it really needs to work, out of the box, on laptops too. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/1886161/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1886161] Re: UU should work on roaming laptops
@rbalint As I detailed, the problems cannot *all* be resolved by config. The biggest one, the first above, is still there. If you turn on a laptop when (1) an update is overdue and (2) there is not yet an internet connection, then the update will not run even if the connection becomes available 5 minutes later. This is an **absolutely typical** situation when on the go and connecting to new wifi networks. Perhaps this is anacron's fault, or systemd's or something, I am not sure. What is certain is that, in the real world, in this common situation, unattended upgrades does not upgrade Ubuntu unattended. I believe that is a significant problem. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unattended-upgrades in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1886161 Title: UU should work on roaming laptops Status in unattended-upgrades package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: For many if not most laptop computers, Unattended Upgrades seems all but useless by design. For upgrades to happen, with default config, 3 conditions must be met: - an internet connection must be up and running when the timer or cron or anacron tries the unattended upgrade - the connection must not be metered, whatever that means (Skip-Updates-On-Metered-Connections "true") - the computer must be plugged in (OnlyOnACPower "true") These are insurmountable problems for many laptops on the go. Inevitably, security upgrades will almost never run unattended on such computers. I discovered with shock that Unattended Upgrades had almost never run on my laptop. I tried all possible config tweaks. Nothing worked reliably and in the end I gave up and wrote a upgrade script which uses Network Manager's connection-up hook. Unattended Upgrades needs to do something like this out of the box. Users should not need to write scripts to ensure security upgrades. Unattended upgrades is an excellent project for servers. But it really needs to work, out of the box, on laptops too. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1886161/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1886161] Re: UU should work on roaming laptops
Those options can be overridden to match your preference. I for example enable u-u on metered connections because the plan I use allows enough traffic for that. ** Changed in: unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) Status: New => Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unattended-upgrades in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1886161 Title: UU should work on roaming laptops Status in unattended-upgrades package in Ubuntu: Invalid Bug description: For many if not most laptop computers, Unattended Upgrades seems all but useless by design. For upgrades to happen, with default config, 3 conditions must be met: - an internet connection must be up and running when the timer or cron or anacron tries the unattended upgrade - the connection must not be metered, whatever that means (Skip-Updates-On-Metered-Connections "true") - the computer must be plugged in (OnlyOnACPower "true") These are insurmountable problems for many laptops on the go. Inevitably, security upgrades will almost never run unattended on such computers. I discovered with shock that Unattended Upgrades had almost never run on my laptop. I tried all possible config tweaks. Nothing worked reliably and in the end I gave up and wrote a upgrade script which uses Network Manager's connection-up hook. Unattended Upgrades needs to do something like this out of the box. Users should not need to write scripts to ensure security upgrades. Unattended upgrades is an excellent project for servers. But it really needs to work, out of the box, on laptops too. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1886161/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Touch-packages] [Bug 1886161] Re: UU should work on roaming laptops
** Summary changed: - UU is almost useless on itinerant laptops + UU should work on roaming laptops -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Touch seeded packages, which is subscribed to unattended-upgrades in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1886161 Title: UU should work on roaming laptops Status in unattended-upgrades package in Ubuntu: New Bug description: For many if not most laptop computers, Unattended Upgrades seems all but useless by design. For upgrades to happen, with default config, 3 conditions must be met: - an internet connection must be up and running when the timer or cron or anacron tries the unattended upgrade - the connection must not be metered, whatever that means (Skip-Updates-On-Metered-Connections "true") - the computer must be plugged in (OnlyOnACPower "true") These are insurmountable problems for many laptops on the go. Inevitably, security upgrades will almost never run unattended on such computers. I discovered with shock that Unattended Upgrades had almost never run on my laptop. I tried all possible config tweaks. Nothing worked reliably and in the end I gave up and wrote a upgrade script which uses Network Manager's connection-up hook. Unattended Upgrades needs to do something like this out of the box. Users should not need to write scripts to ensure security upgrades. Unattended upgrades is an excellent project for servers. But it really needs to work, out of the box, on laptops too. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1886161/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages Post to : touch-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~touch-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
