[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2024-03-11 Thread mkoniecz
> Canonical needs to make money and those ads aren't spammy at all.

I get ads on every single SSH login, that is incredibly spammy.
Currently for me that is majority of ad consumption and I will get rid
of it even if it means migration of several servers I am managing to a
different OS.

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2024-03-11 Thread mkoniecz
This is just malicious. You are not only packacking Ubuntu as adware,
you are making it deliberately harder to unbreak for people interested
specifically in spam removal.

While Ubuntu with easily removed ads would be still adware it would be
at least less annoying for people wishing to fix it.

And here you make deliberately harder to remove ads, despite that it
would already requires tinkering not done by vast majority of people.

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2024-01-23 Thread Michel-Ekimia
Hi,

Very interesting bug on how Canonical destroy the Ubuntu community just
"because the don't care"

I guess we should stop wasting our customers and time to fix ubuntu pro
and move to something else.

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2023-09-25 Thread PowerKiKi
I wouldn't even mind if the package was installed by default, but easily
uninstallable. It is unfortunately not the case, since it prompts that
it will also remove `xubuntu-desktop`, amongst many other packages.

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2023-07-12 Thread Eilidh Martin
There's a difference between "this package is required to allow people
to use our paid services" and "this package spams everyone who doesn't
pay for our paid services". This flies in the face of the whole ethos of
free software imo.

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2023-04-20 Thread Oli
I think we all understand the direction here, Jeremy. You don't care
about non-paying users.

I'm not sure what being an Ubuntu Member means any more but what the
point if part of that isn't speaking out when there's a problem, and I
have to say that removing freedoms from users is about as big a problem
as it gets for FOSS, especially when the leverage is commercial gain.

What situation or mechanism are we imagining where somebody on an
ubuntu-minimal base can't apt install ubuntu-advantage-tools if they
want ubuntu-advantage-tools? I've no problem with it being bundled in,
an installer question, but as soon as you say "oh you can't get rid of
that", you're not compliant to me. You're telling me what I can and
can't do with my installation, and for no good reason.

I'm writing this now because I've had pushback from client netadmins
demanding to know why these installations are individually phoning home
on a regular basis. Yes I have sensitive clients, they do sensitive
work. So now I have a choice, I either have to hack around your work to
botch it and hope that an update doesn't fix it, or we can't use Ubuntu.

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  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

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Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2023-03-17 Thread Sky
@Bartłomiej Żogała (nusch)  -- turns out this was to due a dependency
update:
https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/yg97tk/ubuntu_includes_ads_in_system_update_theyre/jbxyq01/

There's a new version of the fake-ubuntu-advantage-tools package to fix
this here:  https://github.com/Skyedra/UnspamifyUbuntu

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  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2023-02-26 Thread Bartłomiej Żogała
Doesn't really matter as package is installed both ways, only that all
dependencies need to be resolved later on. I've tried your method and it
suggest to remove ubuntu-desktop-minimal and software-properties-gtk -
which is not a solution here. IMHO the software-properties need also
seperated version or just removal of the dependency if python code
handles this properly. This is due to UbuntuPro tab in this window:

** Attachment added: "software-properties.png"
   
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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2023-02-26 Thread Sky
I don't know it will make any difference or not, but FYI I've been installing 
it this way:
apt install ./fake-ubuntu-advantage-tools.deb

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2023-02-26 Thread Bartłomiej Żogała
@sky-lake @vi0oss unfortunately 
after doing 
sudo dpkg -P --force-depends ubuntu-advantage-tools
sudo rm -rf /etc/ubuntu-advantage
and dpkg -i fake-ubuntu-advantage-tools.deb
on recent version I'm getting version specific dependency when doing apt-get 
upgrade:
 software-properties-gtk : Requires: ubuntu-advantage-tools (>= 27.11~)
any clues ?

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2023-02-25 Thread Matthew J. Hill
This is indeed a defect--marking it "wontfix" is not helpful.

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2022-11-01 Thread Sky
vi0oss came up with a clever workaround for getting this spamware off
our systems.

> Can it be overridden with an additional package which Provides, Breaks and 
> Conflicts with ubuntu-advantage-tools?
(From this comment 
https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/yg97tk/ubuntu_includes_ads_in_system_update_theyre/iuj7hug/
 -- I went ahead and attached the deb here for posterity, but it's also in that 
thread)

So far the deb they created is working for me.

Long term solution being to switch to a distro that respects their
users.

** Attachment added: "fake-ubuntu-advantage-tools.deb"
   
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  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2022-10-29 Thread Aaron Renny Varghese
I agree with Jeremy Bicha here. Canonical needs to make money and those
ads aren't spammy at all. However I do want to see an option to turn
Ubuntu Advantage/Pro and promotional content off, for those who don't
want it.

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  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2022-10-28 Thread Sky
ubuntu-minimal should absolutely not force install of ubuntu-advantage-
tools.  We're being force fed CLI ads via ubuntu-advantage-tools and we
HATE it.  This package should at best be a 'recommends', and even then,
probably not.

I have no need of this spammy software, and yet I'm forced to remove the
entire meta package if I don't want it?!

This is what a mass exodus of users sounds like.

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2022-04-07 Thread Bartłomiej Żogała
It's not about 2.6Mb storage space taken. It's about what those 2.6Mb of
logic does, how transparent the whole process is and how many potential
security vulnerabilities it may introduce due to not having one
transparent entrypoint for activation. You are exactly following
Microsoft way to telemetry, where there are multiple toggles around the
system but telemetry it's already so deeply integrated that you never
can be sure if it was completely disabled.

You do benefit not only from your paying customers base but from whole
open source community work up to day. Including this portal and all
feedback passed automatically/manually from users which run Ubuntu on
their hardware. So saying that you don't care about non paying customers
seems a bit arrogant here.

Isn't the fact that you have seperate restricted repository backed on
the same concept of lack of full trust ? There is whole group of people
who e.g don't have Nvidia software on their hardware and they have a
chocice, why they shouldn't have the same choice with Canonical software
?

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  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2022-03-14 Thread Jeremy Bicha
We are prioritizing people being able to easily activate Ubuntu
Advantage/Ubuntu Pro more than people who worry about 2.6 MB. People who
activate Ubuntu Advantage are generally paying customers. Those paying
customers make Ubuntu better for all of us by helping to fund a lot of
the work done in Ubuntu.

Respectfully, I don't think there's any benefit to me continuing to
explain why we made this decision.

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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Re: [Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2022-03-14 Thread Bartłomiej Żogała
So how would you like to identify and mark computers eligible for extended
support without user interaction ? And if user interaction is required why
can't  you use the same launch method for installing extended support ?
And why installing 2.6Mbyes of logic on _all_ ubuntu instead of simple
eligibility check script which would do further job only if required  ?

On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 10:36 PM Jeremy Bicha <1930...@bugs.launchpad.net>
wrote:

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2022-03-14 Thread Jeremy Bicha
Because you don't need to use apt-get to use Ubuntu.

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2022-03-14 Thread Bartłomiej Żogała
Why 'apt-get install ubuntu-extended-support' or similar isn't
considered simple there and you prefer to redefine meaning of 'minimal'
instead ?

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  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2022-03-14 Thread Jeremy Bicha
People must be allowed to upgrade their Ubuntu LTS install to get the 10
years of Extended Security Maintenance support offered by Ubuntu
Advantage or Ubuntu Pro. This needs to work easily for everyone running
Ubuntu. That is done with ubuntu-advantage-tools so that's why it's
installed and not intended to be removed.

The information collection you are referring to is not handled by
ubuntu-advantage-tools. You would need to file a separate bug about that
issue, preferably with a test case of what isn't working correctly.

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2022-03-14 Thread Bartłomiej Żogała
>It is required for the Ubuntu product to work as intended so we're not going 
>to make it optional.
Could you make it clear what means 'as intended' ? As most users are not 
interested in this, are you bound by some state actor to track users ? This 
would be clear signal for users to search for alternative distro.

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Title:
  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2022-03-14 Thread Jeremy Bicha
@wontfix, install motd-news-config if you need to configure that file.
It's installed by default on Ubuntu Server; I don't believe it's needed
on Ubuntu Desktop.

Sorry, ubuntu-advantage-tools is required to allow people to use Ubuntu
Advantage or Ubuntu Pro. It is required for the Ubuntu product to work
as intended so we're not going to make it optional.

** Changed in: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed => Won't Fix

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  ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Won't Fix

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2021-12-31 Thread wontfix
Just to add, the file listed at https://ubuntu.com/legal/motd to combat
this package's "feature" since it cannot be removed, no longer exists in
Jammy, 22.04.

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Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2021-11-05 Thread Dan Watkins
I would also like to see this change:

* ubuntu-advantage-tools and its dependencies add about 3MB to ubuntu-minimal 
installations (checked by installing ubuntu-minimal's Depends in a Docker 
container with and without u-a-t)
* it installs a systemd timer which runs (to do nothing, as the service it runs 
is disabled without ua-auto-attach.service present)
* it installs MOTD hooks, which run regularly
* it installs an apt hook, which is executed on every update and upgrade, and 
twice on installs

If one is not interested in UA services, these are wasted resources, and
provide an incentive to remove ubuntu-minimal from systems.

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Status in ubuntu-meta package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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[Touch-packages] [Bug 1930914] Re: ubuntu-minimal depends on ubuntu-advantage-tools

2021-11-05 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

** Changed in: ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
   Status: New => Confirmed

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Bug description:
  This is counter to #1566183 There is no reason to enforce desktop
  users who manage machine on their own to install ubuntu-advantage-
  tools, especially when this is 'minimal' version.  This should include
  only essential packages to make the OS functional

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 20.04
  Package: ubuntu-minimal 1.450.2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 5.4.0-73.82-lowlatency 5.4.106
  Uname: Linux 5.4.0-73-lowlatency x86_64
  NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia_modeset nvidia
  ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.18
  Architecture: amd64
  CasperMD5CheckResult: skip
  Date: Fri Jun  4 18:54:56 2021
  InstallationDate: Installed on 2020-01-29 (491 days ago)
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu-MATE 19.10 "Eoan Ermine" - Release amd64 (20191017)
  SourcePackage: ubuntu-meta
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to focal on 2020-06-27 (342 days ago)

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