Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB external HD
Mnyb wrote: > Ok was it really in the desig scope from day one ? Maybe they should > have dropped it ? Its such letdown for LMS Remember the times, Logitech just acquired Slimdevices 2006 with a product plan Duet, Touch, Radio. Logitech provide expertise mgmt in manufacturing in China - so Touch h/w and inventory was probably already built in mid 2009 - can't change h/w spec. Product launch details would already been released to Logitech staff for training etc.. also probably in mid 2009 A small company can change quickly - big one not so easily. 2008 - Crash - consumer spending down. So sales not as good as expected in 2010 and probably upgraded spec would have to wait until inventory sold. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108643 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB external HD
bpa wrote: > It was not an afterthought - the expectation was there from the > beginning based on the fact at the time LMS was running on devices such > as Linksys NSLU2 (266MHz, 32Mb ram). However, development took longer > than expected, as all parts of system didn't perform as well as > expected/hoped - the SoC, Linux, UI and there was a lot of time spent on > making performance acceptable. The price point determined the specs of > the h/w. In the end, Radio was released before Touch becauase Touch was > maybe at least 6 months late. Lots of effort was put into getting LMS > going on Touch as I think it was a design promise and couldn't be > dropped. Ok was it really in the desig scope from day one ? Maybe they should have dropped it ? Its such letdown for LMS . Touch is great player ( i have 3 i love them ), but releasing the server on Touch then people expect it to work just as good as any LMS server . And apparently some folks still expect it to perform . If it where not there it would not have wasted everyones time . Its impressive as its almost 10 years old . With todays SoC would probably cost less and just works. Every squeezebox seems to be ahead of its time . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108643 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB external HD
Mnyb wrote: > The whole idea afiak was an afterthought when someone saw that it migth > just be possible to run LMS on Touch . > If it had been in the design scope from the beginning it would have been > more powerful cpu and ram in it. It was not an afterthought - the expectation was there from the beginning based on the fact at the time LMS was running on devices such as Linksys NSLU2 (266MHz, 32Mb ram). However, development took longer than expected, as all parts of system didn't perform as well as expected/hoped - the SoC, Linux, UI and there was a lot of time spent on making performance acceptable. The price point determined the specs of the h/w. In the end, Radio was released before Touch becauase Touch was maybe at least 6 months late. Lots of effort was put into getting LMS going on Touch as I think it was a design promise and couldn't be dropped. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108643 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB external HD
drmatt wrote: > Processor power and available RAM. There's hardly any ram, that's the > biggest issue wet stability. It's also stuck with an ancient version of > LMS. > > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- .. and no web-UI and no plugins and its slooow and scaning is slooow and then it crashes when out of ram. Be carefull to not mouth a to large colllection a modest library on a usb stick migth be usable. The whole idea afiak was an afterthought when someone saw that it migth just be possible to run LMS on Touch . If it had been in the design scope from the beginning it would have been more powerful cpu and ram in it. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108643 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB external HD
kidstypike wrote: > I don't think the problem is the HDD's speed, it's the proccessing power > of the the Touch that's the bottle-neck. SSD drives weren't commonplace > when I bought my Touch so haven't tried one, I don't know if there'd be > any advantage. > > Yes, It's great when it works, but it doesn't work great all that often. > :(Processor power and available RAM. There's hardly any ram, that's the biggest issue wet stability. It's also stuck with an ancient version of LMS. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108643 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB external HD
Koelboy wrote: > I would think that connecting a dedicated 5V power supply to the 5V > input of my HDD is no different from connecting the same PS using a Y > cable (isn't that the same 5V circuit?) That would mean that it's > actually better to not use a HDD with a seperate PS? > > :SI think you're being obtuse now. No USB device that offers a choice of power inputs would be certified as a USB device if it allowed the multiple power lines to be bridged to each other under any circumstances. Have to say I've never seen a usb HDD with a 5v input though as all the portable drives generally run straight off the USB port and all the desktop drive ones run off 12V. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108643 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB external HD
Koelboy wrote: > Hmmm yes I just unplugged it for a moment and now it"s busy scanning > again.. I get the picture. > > If I'm willing to accept the fact that it will never be anything worth > shouting about, would using a SSD drive instead of the current HDD > perhaps help to increase stability, by adding some speed? > > I really like the simplicity of just the Touch + HD into my DAC. When it > works, it works great. I don't think the problem is the HDD's speed, it's the proccessing power of the the Touch that's the bottle-neck. SSD drives weren't commonplace when I bought my Touch so haven't tried one, I don't know if there'd be any advantage. Yes, It's great when it works, but it doesn't work great all that often. :( *Study/Server - LMS 7.9.1 - *Raspberry Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22/jivelite, 25K library on WDMyCloud, cache and playlists on a USB stick (formatted ntfs). *Lounge* - RPi 2/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Boom *Garage* - Raspberry Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22 > Edifier R980T *In car* - LMS 7.9.1 > RPi3/Max2Play/Access Point plugin > HiFiBerry DAC+ > car's hifi (files on a 2TB portable USB drive) *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108643 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB external HD
Koelboy wrote: > I'm not really understanding how connecting the Touch to a powered hub > doesn't connect the power lines on the touch usb to an external PSU, but > I think it's also irrelevant when using an external DAC... as long a sit > doesn't hurt the Touch. Because it's designed not to, which is why I suggested it! It's still relevant. You mess with a devices power lines and it can interfere with WiFi or cause it to become unstable. Personally I'd consider it at best a nasty hack and even then i wouldn't consider a y cable unless I am taking two supplies from the *same* device. I would not consider bridging two separate power supplies with it. Particularly not on a several hundred pounds obsolete rare music player as one of them! Note that SSDs often spike to several times their rated power consumption during write operations or garbage collection. Consider yourself warned at what a bad idea I think this is.. ;) -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108643 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB external HD
Koelboy wrote: > Well, I'm not using the Touch's analog outputs. I have a HDD with a > separate 5V input next to a mini USB, so no problem there. However, if > there's no way to let the HDD sleep when not in use, I'll switch to a > SSD. Those are typically USB powered, needing app 700mA (I think). So > using a SSD with a Y cable to a phone charger or similar will probably > work? > > I'm not really understanding how connecting the Touch to a powered hub > doesn't connect the power lines on the touch usb to an external PSU, but > I think it's also irrelevant when using an external DAC... as long a sit > doesn't hurt the Touch. I'd just like to repeat drmatt's advice, the Touch isn't really meant to be used as an LMS server, it was an afterthought by the designers, it seemed like a good idea at the time. However the Touch is too underpowered to run even a modest library, it's fine if you play an album and let it get on with it, but it crashes easily when given too many commands, then the Touch needs to rescan the library which takes forever. When that's happened a few times you'll get the picture. I was one of the first in the queue to get a touch when first launched, and was very disappointed trying to use it as a stand alone player/server which was the only reason I'd bought it. It now acts solely as a display showing what's playing on a raspberry pi which is in the cupboard below. *Study/Server - LMS 7.9.1 - *Raspberry Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22/jivelite, 25K library on WDMyCloud, cache and playlists on a USB stick (formatted ntfs). *Lounge* - RPi 2/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Boom *Garage* - Raspberry Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22 > Edifier R980T *In car* - LMS 7.9.1 > RPi3/Max2Play/Access Point plugin > HiFiBerry DAC+ > car's hifi (files on a 2TB portable USB drive) *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108643 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB external HD
Correct, functionally similar but a powered hub doesn't connect the power lines on the touch usb out to an external PSU, unlike most y-cables which are designed to allow drawing from two usb supplies simultaneously. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108643 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB external HD
drmatt wrote: > You need to stop worrying about the disk spinning constantly, I doubt > there's any way to discourage the embedded LMS from polling it often > enough to keep it awake, and secondly you absolutely must buy a powered > hub. > > There's an Amazon basics one for around £12 on prime. > > -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- Hmm Yes I was afraid of that. That will probably make me switch to a SSD at some point. Also, how exactly would a powered hub fit in? I connected the powered hub to the Touch and the HDD to the hub? It sounds like that's effectively what i proposed with the Y cable, so the Touch doesn't mind having 5V put on it's USB port? I know this is some very basic stuff, I just have no clue about basic USB workings :( Koelboy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67811 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108643 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] USB external HD
You need to stop worrying about the disk spinning constantly, I doubt there's any way to discourage the embedded LMS from polling it often enough to keep it awake, and secondly you absolutely must buy a powered hub. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108643 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
