On 01/04/2015 06:31 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 06:20:05PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
Except that on Linux, non-bash scripts were almost nonexistent before
2006 (ported from other OSes and you know where to find ksh or zsh if it
says #!/bin/zsh), and even since then it's
On 01/04/2015 05:43 AM, Rich Felker wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 01:39:21AM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
On 01/03/2015 10:07 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
On Thu, Jan 01, 2015 at 10:41:22PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
On 01/01/2015 01:04 PM, dmccunney wrote:
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:39 AM, David
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 12:39:25PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
(Redirecting /bin/sh to point to dash instead of bash was still a dumber
move, though.)
I fail to see how this was dumb. It made shellshock a non-issue
When they switched to dash I _segfaulted_ the thing multiple times. It
On 01/04/2015 01:04 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 12:39:25PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
Coming up with a bash replacement, yay. But dash didn't even bother to
implement source as an alias for ., or implement the function
keyword (it's basically a comment). Those were trivial
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 06:20:05PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
On 01/04/2015 01:04 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 12:39:25PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
Coming up with a bash replacement, yay. But dash didn't even bother to
implement source as an alias for ., or implement
2015-01-05 8:31 GMT+08:00 Rich Felker dal...@libc.org:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 06:20:05PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
On 01/04/2015 01:04 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 12:39:25PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
Coming up with a bash replacement, yay. But dash didn't even bother to
On Thu, Jan 01, 2015 at 10:41:22PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
On 01/01/2015 01:04 PM, dmccunney wrote:
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:39 AM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a simple test to decide if I like an editor as a result of these
decades of random editor usage. If I can't
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 02:24:19PM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 23:07:55 -0500 Rich Felker dal...@libc.org wrote:
If vi/uemacs/joe/nano are trivial extensions of the same basic
infrastructure (sort of true modulo vi command mode), I have no
problem implementing lots of
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 23:31:38 -0500 Rich Felker dal...@libc.org wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 02:24:19PM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 23:07:55 -0500 Rich Felker dal...@libc.org
wrote:
If vi/uemacs/joe/nano are trivial extensions of the same basic
infrastructure
On 01/03/2015 10:49 PM, David Seikel wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 23:31:38 -0500 Rich Felker dal...@libc.org wrote:
On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 02:24:19PM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 23:07:55 -0500 Rich Felker dal...@libc.org
wrote:
If vi/uemacs/joe/nano are trivial extensions
On 01/03/2015 10:07 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
On Thu, Jan 01, 2015 at 10:41:22PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
On 01/01/2015 01:04 PM, dmccunney wrote:
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:39 AM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a simple test to decide if I like an editor as a result of these
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:39 AM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote:
I have a simple test to decide if I like an editor as a result of these
decades of random editor usage. If I can't sit down with the editor
and figure out how to do basic editing and saving in less than a
minute (sans
On Thu, 1 Jan 2015 14:04:41 -0500 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:39 AM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
wrote:
I have a simple test to decide if I like an editor as a result of
these decades of random editor usage. If I can't sit down with the
editor
On 12/29/14 23:58, Rich Felker wrote:
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:18:19AM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:10:07 -0500 dmccunney
dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Rich Felker dal...@libc.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:21:26PM -0600,
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:21:26PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
On 12/21/14 17:42, enh wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM, James McMechan
james_mcmec...@hotmail.com wrote:
fortunately n-curses devolves tremendously when you don't try to support
every terminal type under the sun
2014-12-29 20:45 GMT+08:00 Marc André Tanner m...@brain-dump.org:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:21:26PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
On 12/21/14 17:42, enh wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM, James McMechan
james_mcmec...@hotmail.com wrote:
fortunately n-curses devolves tremendously when
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:45 AM, Marc André Tanner m...@brain-dump.org wrote:
I plan to implement vi over the next year
I agree that there is a need for a clean vi(m) like editor. Based on my
experience I got from writing my own work in progress clone[0], the
problem is that while the basic
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Rich Felker dal...@libc.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:21:26PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
I plan to implement vi over the next year, but it's one of the four
realy big commands required by posix (sed, awk, sh, vi) and I've been
debugging sed against
On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:10:07 -0500 dmccunney
dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Rich Felker dal...@libc.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:21:26PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
I plan to implement vi over the next year, but it's one of the four
realy big
2014-12-30 8:18 GMT+08:00 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 16:10:07 -0500 dmccunney
dennis.mccun...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Rich Felker dal...@libc.org wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:21:26PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
I plan to implement vi
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Rich Felker dal...@libc.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:23:43AM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
On 12/22/2014 11:37 PM, Rich Felker wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:21:26PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
If less is a priority, that actually helps prioritize
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:48:42AM -0800, enh wrote:
Lots of us _do_ have to deal with serial terminals.
Yes, I know.
If you export $ROWS and $COLUMNS it'll do that instead of probe, and I
can add a compile-time config symbol to switch it off if you care that
much.
Exporting
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Rich Felker dal...@libc.org wrote:
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:48:42AM -0800, enh wrote:
Lots of us _do_ have to deal with serial terminals.
Yes, I know.
If you export $ROWS and $COLUMNS it'll do that instead of probe, and I
can add a compile-time
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:21:26PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
If less is a priority, that actually helps prioritize the rest of
them. Once I've written the basic navigate a line infrastructure (with
querying screen size via ansi probe fallback, and reassembling escape
sequences that got
On Mon, 22 Dec 2014 22:21:26 -0600 Rob Landley r...@landley.net wrote:
On 12/21/14 17:42, enh wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM, James McMechan
james_mcmec...@hotmail.com wrote:
On 12/20/2014 05:55:45 PM, David Seikel wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 19:30:01 -0600 Rob Landley
On 12/20/2014 05:55:45 PM, David Seikel wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 19:30:01 -0600 Rob Landley r...@landley.net
wrote:
On 12/19/14 18:52, David Seikel wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:43:51 -0800 enh e...@google.com wrote:
i was thinking about writing a trivial termcap implementation
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM, James McMechan
james_mcmec...@hotmail.com wrote:
On 12/20/2014 05:55:45 PM, David Seikel wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 19:30:01 -0600 Rob Landley r...@landley.net wrote:
On 12/19/14 18:52, David Seikel wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:43:51 -0800 enh
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 01:07:02PM -0800, James McMechan wrote:
I am would suggest something like GNU_QUIRKS and POSIX_QUIRKS config
symbols to add in the odd features like gnu sed directly disagreeing
with POSIX or POSIX's umm interesting xargs without -0 quoting
conventions and any other why
On Sun, 21 Dec 2014 15:42:01 -0800 enh e...@google.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 1:07 PM, James McMechan
james_mcmec...@hotmail.com wrote:
On 12/20/2014 05:55:45 PM, David Seikel wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 19:30:01 -0600 Rob Landley r...@landley.net
wrote:
On 12/19/14
On 12/19/14 18:52, David Seikel wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:43:51 -0800 enh e...@google.com wrote:
i was thinking about writing a trivial termcap implementation that
just returns the xterm-color answers and using the BSD less, but i
didn't realize that even the BSDs use the GNU less.
i
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 19:30:01 -0600 Rob Landley r...@landley.net wrote:
On 12/19/14 18:52, David Seikel wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:43:51 -0800 enh e...@google.com wrote:
i was thinking about writing a trivial termcap implementation that
just returns the xterm-color answers and
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Rob Landley r...@landley.net wrote:
On 12/18/2014 09:38 PM, enh wrote:
This basically brings the catv code into cat (but optionally enabled,
like the 'big' variant of sort) and adds the missing-from-both -n
option. There are a couple of options in coreutils
On 12/19/2014 01:54 PM, enh wrote:
i know there's catv and nl already in toybox, but part of my goal with
moving us to toybox is that people's muscle memory should just work.
A good argument. :)
Rob
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On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 02:05:10PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
On 12/19/2014 01:54 PM, enh wrote:
i know there's catv and nl already in toybox, but part of my goal with
moving us to toybox is that people's muscle memory should just work.
A good argument. :)
Could the cat toy just detect the
I want to remove catv though.
On Dec 19, 2014 13:05, Rich Felker dal...@libc.org wrote:
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 02:05:10PM -0600, Rob Landley wrote:
On 12/19/2014 01:54 PM, enh wrote:
i know there's catv and nl already in toybox, but part of my goal with
moving us to toybox is that
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 01:48:11PM -0800, enh wrote:
I want to remove catv though.
Is there a reason you need to, though? This seems like purely an
aesthetic consideration to be balanced with the aesthetic
consideration of not having catv code in the main cat.
Rich
like i said earlier, my aim is be roughly like coreutils. catv is some
weird made-up thing. and i _will_ get push back about adding too many
commands, so i intend to make them all count.
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Rich Felker dal...@libc.org wrote:
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 01:48:11PM -0800,
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 02:41:30PM -0800, enh wrote:
like i said earlier, my aim is be roughly like coreutils. catv is some
weird made-up thing. and i _will_ get push back about adding too many
commands, so i intend to make them all count.
The irony of course is that Rob Pike, Russ Cox and a
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:54:55 -0800 enh e...@google.com wrote:
(sadly the most common request seems to be ooh, does this mean we can
have less now?.)
Actually I made a start on less, and more, and a bunch of editors, and
got them working at a basic level. Robs just been too busy to get my
i was thinking about writing a trivial termcap implementation that
just returns the xterm-color answers and using the BSD less, but i
didn't realize that even the BSDs use the GNU less.
i switched Android over to the toybox more from the mksh shell
function, but people still complain they really
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:43:51 -0800 enh e...@google.com wrote:
i was thinking about writing a trivial termcap implementation that
just returns the xterm-color answers and using the BSD less, but i
didn't realize that even the BSDs use the GNU less.
i switched Android over to the toybox more
This basically brings the catv code into cat (but optionally enabled,
like the 'big' variant of sort) and adds the missing-from-both -n
option. There are a couple of options in coreutils cat still missing,
and a few more still in BSD's cat, but they're pretty useless. (I've
commented the missing
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