Re: [translate-pootle] Python problem while installing 1.3 beta on FC10 server

2009-09-19 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi David,

 [...]
 Installing index for pootle_notifications.Notices model
 
 Any ideas per chance? Thanks if so, :)

could you try to install strace and run strace -o strace.log ./PootleServer?
The log file would help to track down the problem, I guess ...

regards,
Lars

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Re: [translate-pootle] Problem with names of PO Files

2009-05-21 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

Am Thu, 21 May 2009 15:37:41 -0400
schrieb Evelyn Eastmond eve...@media.mit.edu:

 However, when I go to the Pootle interface, I see the label
 'Scratch.po' instead of 'ar.po', and it's an empty file.  Scratch.po
 does not actually exist as a file anywhere in the Pootle filesystem,
 but it still insists in showing me that on the web interface, instead
 of showing me the newer ar.po file.

just a wild guess: did you try to restart the pootle server?
As far as I remember, Pootle uses a cache for the project files.

hopefully this helps,
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Re: [translate-pootle] search by phrase in Pootle

2008-11-28 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

  I just commited revision 9020. It splits the search input into words
  (separated by whitespace) and appends each word to the AND query,
  I tested it with a xapian engine and with Pootle and the toolkit at revision
  8822 due to some issues, that I did not investigate at that moment. But I
  assume, it should work well with HEAD, too.
 
 Thank you for this, Lars. I guess things should work on trunk, but we
 need to test and confirm at some stage. Do you consider this good enough
 to backport to the 1.2 branch for the release of 1.2.1?

Yes - I don't see any potential problems.


  Just to make sure, that I did not neglect anything: is a simple split
  call the right approach to separate words in a language neutral way?
  (see line 1020 in Pootle/projects.py)
 
 It is the best we can do without going into lots of work. The bigger
 question is perhaps how Lucene and Xapian splits/tokenises words. We
 might want to get closer to that, rather than doing the 100% correct
 thing.

As far as I remember, there is not an obvious way to use the tokenize function
of xapian separately. I just used it indirectly during indexing.
For Lucene, I don't know this at all.
I will take a look.


  Just to clarify the current behaviour of the search field:
  1) every word search is partial and case-insensitive - thus poot will
  find Pootle
  2) Multiple words get splitted into single words. The single queries are
  partial, too. They are combined by AND.
  3) The order of multi-word queries does not matter: a search for admin
  pootle will return Pootle Languages Admin Page (and others).
  4) Multiple word input can be a mixture of source and target strings: a
  search for remove sprache will return Remove Language which is
  translated to Sprache loeschen
  
  Do you think, that this detailed description of the search processing would
  be suitable for the searching wiki page[1] of Pootle? Then I could add it
  there ...
  
  
  I would appreciate any comments!
  
  regards,
  Lars
  
  [1] http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/searching
 
 
 I think we can definitely add it there. There are some definite
 differences between the indexed search and the pogrep search, so it
 would be good to document them well.

I will add a table with examples to the wiki page.


 I think there is still another way to really improve things: if we can
 obtain possibly relevant results quickly from the indexer and use a real
 GrepFilter to filter out the less relevant ones from there. This would
 get the behaviour much closer to the non-indexed search, but still with
 a good speedup, I think. Does this sound doable, Lars? Should we try to
 do that for Pootle 1.2.1?

I did not realize deficiencies/differences of the indexing-based search for
now. So I am not sure, how this would improve the search. Maybe we can discuss
this, when we have a table comparison of the search results in the wiki page.
I will do my half today in the evening ...
Regarding possible work on this topic: until christmas I will barely find time
to work on this. If this delay suits to the release date of 1.2.1, then I can do
it afterwards.

have a nice day,
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Re: [translate-pootle] search by phrase in Pootle

2008-11-27 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 I installed Pootle 1.2 and the code line seems different. (the first 
 make_query is located on the line 914)
 I changed the parameter of first make_query in indexsearch to True. 
 However it didn't work well. The result is neither OR nor AND. After 
 changing, I only got strings which contains 'pootle'.

my fault - I did not have a test setup at hand, thus my guessing went wrong ...


  Would AND be the desired behaviour for the text search field?

 
 I think so, if you input 'pootle server' in search window, you should 
 only get the result containing 'pootle server'.
 AND was default behavior in previous versions of Pootle.

I just commited revision 9020. It splits the search input into words (separated
by whitespace) and appends each word to the AND query,
I tested it with a xapian engine and with Pootle and the toolkit at revision
8822 due to some issues, that I did not investigate at that moment. But I
assume, it should work well with HEAD, too.

Just to make sure, that I did not neglect anything: is a simple split call the
right approach to separate words in a language neutral way?
(see line 1020 in Pootle/projects.py)


Just to clarify the current behaviour of the search field:
1) every word search is partial and case-insensitive - thus poot will find
Pootle
2) Multiple words get splitted into single words. The single queries are
partial, too. They are combined by AND.
3) The order of multi-word queries does not matter: a search for admin pootle
will return Pootle Languages Admin Page (and others).
4) Multiple word input can be a mixture of source and target strings: a search
for remove sprache will return Remove Language which is translated to
Sprache loeschen

Do you think, that this detailed description of the search processing would be
suitable for the searching wiki page[1] of Pootle? Then I could add it
there ...


I would appreciate any comments!

regards,
Lars

[1] http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/searching

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Re: [translate-pootle] search by phrase in Pootle

2008-11-26 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 I've made some tests and noticed that this only happens when using an
 indexing engine. But looking at the code all seems fine.
 
 indexer.make_query is called with the second argument (require_all) as
 True, which is the default, and according to the common indexer
 specification:
  @param require_all: boolean operator
  (True - AND (default) / False - OR)

there are three code lines calling make_query in the function indexsearch.
As far as I understand, the first one (line 1019) evaluates the search text. It
uses OR.
Later the search text query is ANDed with the filename query.

I guess, the behaviour would change, if the make_query call in line 1019
would pass True instead of False as the second parameter.
Could your (Aijin) try this, please?

Would AND be the desired behaviour for the text search field?

regards,
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Re: [translate-pootle] Pootle version control problems with distributed version control systems

2008-11-14 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

[shortening the reply a bit ...]


  Assuming, that both the po and pot file in the repository are in sync, this
  should not cause problems.
  Could you provide a specific recipe to reproduce a potential problem,
  please?  
 
 I don't understand this question. I think I have considered all the
 potential problems here.

My question was based on our misunderstanding. Thus it became obsolete.


 ...
 But I have to point that keeping the local file with changes in
 the memory could be a bad idea if the computer or server that hosts
 Pootle unexpectedly loss the energy supply.

You are right, this feels a little bit scary. But right now I can't think of a
simple way how to avoid this potential problem. I guess, it would involve
maintaining a kind of work-in-progress queue - which feels a little bit like
overkill considering the small probability of this kind of failure.
Any implementation ideas are warmly welcome, of course!

thanks for your comments!
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Re: [translate-pootle] Pootle version control problems with distributed version control systems

2008-11-13 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

  From Lars's response:
 
 I just wanted to point out, that during step (3) the file file_2.po is
 also merged with the current state in the VCS upstream repository. I am not
 sure, if that was important for Wynand's example.
 
 That is really the problem. If other files are merged during an update, 
 one is likely to end up with corrupted translation files, since any 
 local changes will cause conflicts.

For now there is no locking during merge/update, thus conflicts can arise due
to a bad timing.
See more below.


 I wasn't really clear with the problem I explained.
 
 With git, things go wrong if you modify files in your Pootle project 
 which have also been modified in the source repository. You can see the 
 problem below:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/workspace/test_area/poupdate/source_repo$ vi
 abc.po
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/workspace/test_area/poupdate/source_repo$ git
 commit -a
 Created commit 69c409c: adw
  1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/workspace/test_area/poupdate/source_repo$ cd ..
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/workspace/test_area/poupdate$ cd test_repo/
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/workspace/test_area/poupdate/test_repo$ vi
 abc.po
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/workspace/test_area/poupdate/test_repo$ git pull
 remote: Counting objects: 5, done.
 remote: Compressing objects: 100% (3/3), done.
 Unpacking objects: 100% (3/3), done.
 remote: Total 3 (delta 1), reused 0 (delta 0)
  From /home/wynand/workspace/test_area/poupdate/source_repo//
b219733..69c409c  master - origin/master
 Updating b219733..69c409c
 abc.po: needs update
 error: Entry 'abc.po' not uptodate. Cannot merge.
 
 1. Here I edited abc.po in the source repository and committed the change.
 2. Then I edited abc.po in Pootle's repository.
 3. Then I tried to pull changes.
 4. git complained.

Thanks for explaining!

The current code in translate/storage/versioncontrol/ does the following during
an update:
1) git checkout FILENAME
2) git pull REPO_ROOT_DIR

Step (1) reverts local changes. Local modifications are preserved in pootle's
memory at this moment. They get merged after step (2).

Pootle would do the following for a commit:
1) git add FILENAME
2) git push

Your example shows, that it is necessary to update before commit. The same
issue is valid for subversion and probably also for the other VCS.

Maybe we should change pootle's code to do an update before commit by default?


Did I get your point now?


 Thanks for the feedback Lars  Asheesh. I think we'll implement the 
 proposed solution. I hope it won't take too much time to make it work.

this would be a great step forward!

greetings,
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Re: [translate-pootle] Pootle version control problems with distributed version control systems

2008-11-13 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

  Your example shows, that it is necessary to update before commit. The
  same issue is valid for subversion and probably also for the other VCS.
 
  Maybe we should change pootle's code to do an update before commit by
  default?
 
 
  Did I get your point now?
 
 Hey, you really wanted to say another thing, didn't you? If Pootle
 does as you say all the last work will be lost!!

I guess, we misunderstand each other here. See below.


 IMHO the things are that way:
 
 Suppose you have the version 59 of the file translation.po. The
 translation.po changes in the vcs, and before you update the local
 copy with the newest 60 version (created after synchronize the
 translation.po with a new .pot file), Pootle makes changes to the
 local 59 copy, so for Pootle this is the new 60 version that it is not
 the same as the vcs one.
 
 So when Pootle tries to commit (in git is pull, isn't it?) ...

from my understanding, you mean push.

 ... the translation.po it fails, because the two files (vcs one and Pootle
 one) have the same version number, the 60.

correct.
That's why I proposed, that the update should happen before commit/pull.
Otherwise any VCS will refuse to commit an outdated local copy.


 And of course, before a local update (syncronize with the vcs version), you
 have to do a commit to save into the vcs the latest changes made in Pootle.

as I stated before, an update (in the way it is currently implemented in the
translate toolkit) will do this:
1) store the current state of the file in memory
2) revert local changes of the file
3) update the file from the repository
4) merge the previously stored content of the original local file with the new
   file, that came from the repository
This procedure allows us to do the merging with regard to translation units
instead of trusting the line-based merging of the respective VCS.
See Pootle/projects.py (line 542) and Pootle/pootlefile.py (line 646) for
details.

I do not see the data loss here, that you mentioned in the beginning.
Could you elaborate, please?


 If you have a .pot file, there is no problem. If first you make a
 backup of the local modified translation.po (local 60 version bis),
 and then you update the local copy downloading the newest .pot file
 from the vcs, and also the version 60 of translation.po replacing the
 local 60 version  (this should be a way of forcing doing this, but I
 only know a few commands of svn). Then you could move the backup
 (local 60 version bis) replacing the downloaded translation.po, making
 it the new 61 version of translation.po, and finally you locally merge
 it with your latest .pot file (the vcs one). Finally you only have to
 do a commit to save the changes in the vcs.

po files and pot files are currently updated separately.
Assuming, that both the po and pot file in the repository are in sync, this
should not cause problems.
Could you provide a specific recipe to reproduce a potential problem, please?


 But sometimes you don't have any .pot file, so we have a great problem
 here. The only solution in this case is to use a Translation memory,
 that saves all the translations made by the Pootle users. Then when
 updating, if the file is updated (forcing the update, because the two
 files are 60 version) with a newest version from the vcs, Pootle
 should run an automatic translation with exact matching using the
 translations saved in the database in order to try to maintain the
 translation level of the file. Just after that Pootle should make a
 commit (or a pull in git), to save the changes in the vcs.

I think, this basically matches the current implementation, that I described
above as step 1 to 4.
Or am I wrong?


 I think this is the only way. I hope this will be helpful.
 
 Ah. And of course, this things should be automated to avoid human
 intervention.

Yes, I agree, that Pootle should always do an update before commit to avoid
the problem, that you described in the beginning of this mail (caused by the
outdated local file).


 Another thing, is there any way to making translation memories in
 Pootle, and importing and exporting them as TMX files??

This is beyond my knowledge. I guess, someone else will answer this
question ...

greetings,
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Re: [translate-pootle] Pootle version control problems with distributed version control systems

2008-11-12 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Wynand,

 The version control system in Pootle does not work well with distributed 
 version control systems (git, Mercurial, Bazaar, Darcs).

Thanks for taking the time to analyze issues with the distributed version
control systems!
I did some part of the version control code, but I don't have any experience
with a distributed VCS. I am glad, you step in, to fill this gap!


 [...]

 Now consider what happens if we have two modified files - file_1.po and 
 file_2.po - in our Pootle project.
 
 The user attempts to update file_1.po.
 
 Pootle:
 1. loads file_1.po into memory,
 2. reverts file_1.po to the version that was checked out from the 
 version control repository,
 3. updates file_1.po from the version control repository,

just a note: I think, for mercurial/git/bzr/darcs this causes an update of the
whole working copy (not just a single file).


 4. BREAKS
 
 This won't work, because file_2.po is modified; making it impossible to 
 reliably pull new revisions from the version control repository.

I am not sure, if I fully understand the problem.
Do distributed VCS really have a problem to run an update, if the local working
copy contains modified files?

I tried the following here in an example mercurial repository:
 hg up -r 6142  [replace this with a non-current revision]
 echo foo SOMEFILE [this file should have changed since above revision]
 hg up

As far as I noticed, this did not cause any unexpected behaviour.
beware: I just assume, that I know, what I am doing :)

Maybe I do not understand, what exactly you mean with breaks?


 Our solution is to keep two project directories:
 1. The Pootle project directory,
 2. The version control project directory.
 
 In this way, Pootle will always be able to update the version control 
 directory. It can also update individual files as the need arises.

This would solve the potential problem, that you described above.


 This solution seems wasteful, but there is a good reason: at some point, 
 we *might* (don't take this as a commitment) want to store the projects 
 in a database. Then it will be necessary to have external version 
 control directories to do merging.

sounds good to me.


 Opinions? Alternative suggestions?

All in all, your approach should be the right way to allow pootle to connect
files to an upstream repository without (console) intervention of the local
system administrator (for the initial checkout and regular updates).
It would - of course - require a good amount of development effort. But I
consider this feature to be essential in the long term.


However: it would be great, if you could explain the detail of the break, that
you described, so that I can fully understand the problem.


thanks for your ideas,
Lars

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Re: [translate-pootle] Pootle version control problems with distributed version control systems

2008-11-12 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Asheesh,

  Now consider what happens if we have two modified files - file_1.po and
  file_2.po - in our Pootle project.
 
  The user attempts to update file_1.po.
 
  Pootle:
  1. loads file_1.po into memory,
  2. reverts file_1.po to the version that was checked out from the
  version control repository,
  3. updates file_1.po from the version control repository,
 
  just a note: I think, for mercurial/git/bzr/darcs this causes an update 
  of the whole working copy (not just a single file).
 
 git checkout $file can reset a file to the last-in-git version on a 
 per-file basis.  I think hg revert and bzr revert do the same there.

ups - my comment was a little bit ambiguous.
Yes - revert/checkout does a file-based reset.
But for hg/bzr/darcs/git/cvs (i.e. all except svn) this revert is followed by a
directory-based update in the current translate-toolkit code.
I just wanted to point out, that during step (3) the file file_2.po is also
merged with the current state in the VCS upstream repository. I am not sure, if
that was important for Wynand's example.


  4. BREAKS
 
  This won't work, because file_2.po is modified; making it impossible to
  reliably pull new revisions from the version control repository.
 
  I am not sure, if I fully understand the problem.
  Do distributed VCS really have a problem to run an update, if the local
  working copy contains modified files?
 
 Not that I've seen.  I'd appreciate more examples in this discussion, like 
 the one you gave that shows it doesn't seem to be a problem.
 
 Furthermore, this issue isn't strictly related to DVCSs, I think.  Doesn't 
 conflict2suggest.py handle this in the general case?

I lost you here: could you point me to this conflict2suggest.py?

regards,
Lars

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Re: [translate-pootle] Pootle and Version Control

2008-09-22 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Urso,

 I am currently working on a VMWare Virtual Machine (VM) for as a Pootle
 Server. (I started last week a discussion/question about a ready made Pootle
 server on Virtual Machine.
 I am making a VM  based on SuSE Linux.

I could imagine, that a debian based image could be easier to prepare due to
their scriptable bootstrapping tools (debootstrap, live-helper) and their quite
current pootle packages. But SuSE surely has something similar, I guess ...
Anyway: you do the work - so you decide :)
It is a great project - however it is done ...


 Does someone has recommendations for the choice of a version control system?
 If it were to me, I would use subversion. But I would like to know if there
 are any pitfalls discovered in the combination Pootle/Subversion.?
 Suggestions??

 What about bazaar, cvs, git and others?  I can remember that Sayamindu (if I
 am correct) was working on a version control (issue) around Pootle... but I
 am not sure if I understood well.

Right now there are no specific issues with the different supported version
control systems, as far as I know. So this should not influence your decisions.

If I understand you correcly, then you want to encourage people to try out
pootle in this a pre-installed package/image, to check if it suits their
needs. In this case I would definitely install all the version control
programs, that are available in SuSE. They do not interfere with each other -
so you don't loose anything.

Btw: with the indexing engine it is different: there you can only choose one of
xapian/pylucene. If I remember correctly, then the translate toolkit would
prefer xapian over pylucene, in case both are installed.


 I am working on a small VM which can host a small amount of language (having
 Pootle footprint in mind).

The footprint mainly depends on the size of projects - not so much on the
available languages. But this can reconfigured by the user later, anyway - so it
is no problem ...


 If I succeed I will try to make this available somewhere on Internet.
 The VM is 4GB big and I have been told that this size could be a problem at
 SourceForge (for instance).
 Suggestions??

I guess, you thought about compressing the image?
Did you create a list of the SuSE packages, that can be removed from the
pootle image?
Do you need X / KDE / Gnome?


I hope, this helped,
regards.
Lars

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Re: [translate-pootle] svn path in installation instructions

2008-08-03 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 On the installation page [1], there is an example of checking out trunk in a
 code block that gives the path as
 https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/translate/trunk/src.  I had pasted that
 into a terminal window when I got that error.

you did not mention the specific error, but I guess, it was something like URL
doesn't exist.

I fixed the wrong subversion repository URL on that wiki page.
Please try it again!

have fun,
Lars


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Re: [translate-pootle] RFE: use --author when committing to a GIT repository

2008-07-23 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 Nice Dan! And thanks Lars for taking the time to integrate this.

hehe - I did not do it, yet :)
Thanks for reminding me!
It is uploaded as r7847.

I changed pootle:author to translate:author, since the versioncontrol code
is part of the translate toolkit and can be used by other tools, as well.


 I've never seen anything like properties in CVS. I suppose that one will 
 just have to live without such properties when using CVS?

Ok, I guess, we can live with this limitiation.

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Re: [translate-pootle] Bug #434: move merging and the Pootle versioncontrol interface to the toolkit

2008-07-23 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 Please take a look at and add your comments!

sorry - I forgot the most important piece of information - the URL:
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/developers/merge_with_versioncontrol

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Re: [translate-pootle] RFE: use --author when committing to a GIT repository

2008-07-22 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

Am Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:24:48 -0700 schrieb Daniel Schafer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 [..]
 Could we use properties to store author information in SVN?  For  
 example, we could add `--with-revprop pootle:author=${author}` to the  
 commit operation.  While this does not change the svn:author (standard  
 properties can't be modified using --with-revprop), it does store who  
 the real author is, and a script could later on move pootle:author to  
 svn:author.

good idea!


 Such a patch would look like this:
 [..]

the code looks fine to me. If nobody has objections, then I will commit it in
the evening.

Does anybody have a similar idea for cvs?

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Re: [translate-pootle] Problems to upgrade/commit in mailman.pootle

2008-07-20 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

Am Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:27:18 +0200 schrieb Miklos Vajna
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:39:37AM +0200, Lars Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  sorry for the trouble, but it looks, like you are the first one who tries to
  use bzr in a real life situation with pootle. So please don't be
  disappointed, if we need one or two more mails for fixing all problems,
  that could occour ...
 
 Given that I think I'm the author of the problematic code, I tried to
 reproduce, and I guessed this will be realted to have the po files
 outside the Pootle dir, just like the problem we recently fixed in git.

somehow I have a similar feeling here, too: in this case /var/lib/pootle/foo
is a symlink to a sub-directory of the repository structure (instead of
direct symlinks to po-files). I never tested this with a version control system,
with meta-data (.bzr) only at the top level (in subversion the .svn
directories exist in every sub-directory of the repository).


 Though I can't reproduce that so easily bzr cat outside the repo works
 fine here both with absolute and relative paths.

same for me.


 However, I have 1.5 installed (I can't remember what version did I have
 when I wrote the original code), and Cristóbal has 1.3. Maybe this is
 the difference?

I installed bzr 1.3.1 for testing (taken from
http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/hardy/devel/bzr). But I still couldn't reproduce
it.

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Re: [translate-pootle] RFE: use --author when committing to a GIT repository

2008-07-20 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

Am Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:37:01 +0200 schrieb Miklos Vajna
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:49:54PM +0200, Christian Perrier
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  This comes from a discussion I just had with the maitnainers of dpkg
  (the Debian package management utility), which we're about to add on
  Debian'sPootle.
  
  They want to give proper credit in their changelog file, to authors of
  translations.
  
  Tehrefore, they suggested using the --author switch of git commit
  and put the translator's name there.
  
  Would it be possible to use this, additionnally to what's already put
  in the commit message?
  
  It could even be possible to use the real name of the translator, and
  not only his|her nickname on the Pootle server.

 First, sorry for the slow answer, I was on vacation. :)

it also slipped out of my memory - thanks for coming back to it!


 Second, this is on my TODO for a very long time. Given that now I see
 that this may be useful for others as well, I'll give it a try. I don't
 think it'll be hard to do.

great!

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Re: [translate-pootle] RFE: use --author when committing to a GIT repository

2008-07-20 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Miklos,

Am Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:01:44 +0200 schrieb Miklos Vajna
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 04:27:38PM +0200, Lars Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
   Second, this is on my TODO for a very long time. Given that now I see
   that this may be useful for others as well, I'll give it a try. I don't
   think it'll be hard to do.
  
  great!
 
 Here it is.

hehe - that was fast!


 The status of the backends:
 
 * cvs: ignore
 * darcs: use darcs record --author
 * bzr: use bzr commit --author
 * hg: use hg commit --user
 * git (and git_old): use git commit --author
 * svn: ignore


I noticed two minor issues:
 - git: use if author instead of if message :)
 - svn: the argument author has to be optional
and two (optional) improvements (IMO):
 - darcs/hg: only use '--author' if it is non-empty
 - use named arguments when calling commitfile

I guess, it is ok for you, that I changed these in your patch and uploaded it
as r7809. Please take a close look to check, if I did it correctly.

Thanks for your work, Miklos!

regards,
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Re: [translate-pootle] Problems to upgrade/commit in mailman.pootle

2008-07-19 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Cristóbal,

Am Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:08:55 -0400 schrieb Cristóbal Palmer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  1) Maybe you could apply the attached patch and run the same command again?
  
 
 Patch applied.
 
 I then tried:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# python -m
 translate.storage.versioncontrol 
 /root/stable/messages/eu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po
 Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/lib/python2.5/runpy.py, line
 [..]

here I expected, that my patch would output a line of text.
Are you sure, that you are using the right module?

maybe do the following:

1) check the module location:
 python -v -m translate.storage.versioncontrol 21 /dev/null | \
  grep -m 1 versioncontrol

2) check the patch:
 grep RCS dir found ???/translate/storage/versioncontrol/__init__.py


  2) Does the directory /root/stable/messages/.bzr/ exist in your system?
  
 
 Yes:
 [..]

interesting: here on my side, this directory does not exist.
Maybe you could send me the content of your local directories, so I can
reproduce the error with your data?

regards,
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Re: [translate-pootle] Problems to upgrade/commit in mailman.pootle

2008-07-17 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Piarres,

sorry for the trouble, but it looks, like you are the first one who tries to
use bzr in a real life situation with pootle. So please don't be disappointed,
if we need one or two more mails for fixing all problems, that could occour ...


 As I said to friedel and Clytie in IRC I have trouble to update/commit
 the translation of Basque mailman in pootle [1].
 
 As I see and I checked with the admin (clytie) I have enough rights to
 make these actions.
 
 Logs in browser:
 
 Commit:
 
 [Errno 2] No such file or directory

this one is (embarrassingly) trivial:
replace bzw in translate/storage/versioncontrol/bzr.py (line 59) with bzr

(I just uploaded the fix in r7782)


 Update:
 
 [BZR] cat failed for
 '/root/stable/messages/eu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po': bzr: ERROR: Not a
 branch: /root/stable/messages/.bzr/branch/.

here I can't see the problem immediately.
Please try to run the following in a shell on the server:
 bzr cat /root/stable/messages/eu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po
and
 python -m translate.storage.versioncontrol \
  /root/stable/messages/eu/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po

both commands should output the content of the respective file from the
repository.
Maybe you - as a bzr user - can suggest a fix, if one of these commands does
not work on your system?
(they are working in my testing setup)

thanks for your report!
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Re: [translate-pootle] Problems to upgrade/commit in mailman.pootle

2008-07-17 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 Is that (r7782) stable enough for me to push an update? What all do I
 need to update?

I did not follow the progress closely, so I can't judge.
Regarding this specific fix it is really just about changing one letter, so you
could easily do it manually.


  both commands should output the content of the respective file from the
  repository.
  Maybe you - as a bzr user - can suggest a fix, if one of these commands does
  not work on your system?
  (they are working in my testing setup)
 
 Just to explain briefly... As root and in root's ~ I did a 
 
   branch lp:mailman/stable mailman

I guess, you meant bzr branch ... - this worked here.


 followed by a...
 
   bzr checkout mailman/ stable

this resulted in an error for me:

 bzr: ERROR: File exists: u'/home/lars/other-sources/examples/stable/.bzr':
  [Errno 17] File exists: '/home/lars/other-sources/examples/stable/.bzr'


Do you know, what could cause this error message here on my system?

Just to make sure, that we are talking about the same thing:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/other-sources/examples$ bzr --version
 Bazaar (bzr) 1.5
  Python interpreter: /usr/bin/python 2.5.2
  Python standard library: /usr/lib/python2.5
  bzrlib: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/bzrlib
  Bazaar configuration: /home/lars/.bazaar
  Bazaar log file: /home/lars/.bzr.log


Do you have any ideas, how I could reproduce your setup?

regards,
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Re: [translate-pootle] Search enhancements

2008-07-14 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Julen,

improving the search interface is a great thing - thanks for your work!

 I've created a wiki page[4] for the purpose, so feel free to
 add/remove/edit any information you see necessary. Lars, you're
 probably the person who better knows this stuff so your help and
 comments would be very welcome.

I added specific points for the indexing support.
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/developers/developers/julen/searching

Hopefully it helps!

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Re: [translate-pootle] Still problems committing with git

2008-07-02 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

I just committed Miklos' patches for the git module as r7710.
This should fix problems with git v1.5.3 (or higher).
(I did it, since I did not notice any objections ...)


  I think if we want to support Debian stable, then we have to support
  1.4.4.4, since that's the official version Debian comes with. There are
  major changes between 1.4.x and 1.5.x, and - to be honest - I'm not too
  motivated to write code for 1.5.x.
  
  So I would vote for C).
  
  Just my two cents.
 
 I think these are very valid comments. This whole conversation is about
 a bug anyway, and git is (as you mention) previously unsupported. If the
 code to support older git versions is available, we obviously use it,
 but I'm not too concerned about halting anything just to support all
 versions.

I agree. Thus I will add a module for git1.5.2 within the next days.
I hope, that it will work for git 1.4.x, too.
If it does not work for git 1.4.x, then we will just ignore this issue until
people report real demand, I guess.

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Re: [translate-pootle] Still problems committing with git

2008-07-01 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

  Does this solve bug 347 properly? (Do we now support the older versions
  of git?) I would just like to document this properly.
 
 Unfortunately no:
 
 $ ~/git/git/git --git-dir git/setup/.git --work-tree git/setup add HACKING
 Unknown option: --work-tree
 
 $ ~/git/git/git --version
 git version 1.5.2
 
 for 1.5.3 you still need to manually chdir() to the repo, perform the
 operation and then chdir() back. And that's already done by
 http://bugs.locamotion.org/attachment.cgi?id=125action=view ;-)

I am not sure, if I get the complete picture of the state of the git support.
Please correct me, if I am wrong about something:

1) the current implementation does not work without the --work-tree parameter
(e.g. with the two patches that were sent by Miklos (30.6.2008))

2) git v1.5.3 (or higher) behaves as expected - it is specified/documented to
need both --git-dir and --work-tree for any operation outside of the
current directory

3) for git v1.5.2 (and before) we have to change to the (base of the?) local git
repository before executing git


If these three assumptions are valid, then I would see the following
alternative solutions:

A)
- applying Miklos patches to the current git support
- adding a second module for git support (e.g. git-1.5.2.py) that would
include the ugly os.chdir workarounds. We have to keep both in sync until
we will finally remove support for git=1.5.2. The current module for the
Lucene indexing engine is splitted in a similar way, so I don't see problems in
implementing this.

B)
- adding the os.chdir workaround to the current git interface and removing all
occourences of --git-dir and --work-tree.

C)
- applying Miklos patches to the current git support
- ignoring incompatibility with git=1.5.2

Personally I would prefer (A) over (B) due to the cleaner code (in the
long-term). But of course, I would not mind (B), too.
The current version of git in debian stable seems to imply that (C) is not a
good option for us, or?

Any opinions?

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Re: [translate-pootle] Committing with git

2008-06-22 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Christian,

 Well, that server is running Debian stable, so yes, this might very
 well be related. 

yes - git before v1.5.3 definitely does not work with the current pootle trunk.


 We'll consider updating git but, well, the server is meant to remain
 as stable as possible and introducing a backported package might be
 too much of a challenge...if we want to make this server an official
 server of the Debian project, some day.

The bug that was mentioned above
(http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347) contains a patch
(http://bugs.locamotion.org/attachment.cgi?id=125action=view) that should fix
your problem in a quick-and-dirty way (but it works).

It seems, that the discussion about the support for git v1.5.2 (and earlier) is
not over, yet.
(http://bugs.locamotion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347#c15)
So there is at least the possibilty that this fix will make it into the
translate toolkit trunk (after cleaning the patch up).


Maybe you could answer two questions:

1) does the above patch fix your problem? (I am not sure, if anyone tested git
v1.4.x, yet ...)

2) Would it be possible for you to use a patched translate toolkit? Or
do you want/have to stick to the official debian packages?


greetings,
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Re: [translate-pootle] Problems creating a project.

2008-06-10 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Manuel,

 I have installed a Pootle server.

How did you install it? (rpm/deb/tar.gz/svn?)
Which version did you install?


 In my installation the directory are in
 /usr/lib/python2.5/site-package/Pootle, and under this directory is
 another called po. After read the documentation, I can't find
 anything about where pootle would be create the work projects
 directories, or anything relationated with this.

you should take a look at the pootle.prefs file (its location depends on your
setup). The default configuration contains all necessary information for
configuring the service.
I guess, you are looking for podirectory.


 All the directory of pootle has the root:root uid:gid.

Depending on your setup, you will have to change the owner of the po
directory.

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Re: [translate-pootle] plans for a script to auto-populate .po files

2008-06-01 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Suresh,

 1. Brings over a child workspace from parent RCS
 2. Checks for PO dir, (removes whole WS and aborts if PO dir not 
 there. )
 3. Removes the non PO files

Just to make sure, that I understand you correctly:
- you would remove non-PO files to save disk space
- later RCS updates (e.g. svn update) refer to the specific PO files. This
works well with the current RCS interface in the toolkit.

Maybe I don't get the whole picture, but this sounds like it could be difficult
to add new languages to the project, or?
Could it be easier to just keep the non-PO files instead? Then new languages
would appear automatically via the RCS update.

Just my first thought - maybe I misunderstand something ...


 4. Checks the PO dir and determine the format (std/gnu)
 5. If gnu format, lang codes are expanded from iso639 po name, 
 is std, from dir names of po files
 6. Gets the current list of languages supported by Pootle
 7. Adds the new languages to Pootle
 8. Adds the new PO files, merges older ones in Pootle.
 9. The new languages  po files are refreshed in Pootle
 
 Once we have this, we can start working on a project wise PO commit 
 script from Pootle end...

this will surely be a necessary step - also regarding update.


 I will update the group weekly about the progress in this front.

great - thanks for your thoughts!

regards,
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Re: [translate-pootle] How to search for untranslated and fuzzy and setting limits?

2008-05-05 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 For searching you really want to run against Lucene or Xapian as tehy
 are much faster, Xapian unfortunately only works on the Pootle version
 in trunk/

I think, it was not merged, yet. I have to resolve performance issues of the
testing installation with the openoffice PO-files before we can do it.

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Re: [translate-pootle] How to search for untranslated and fuzzy and setting limits?

2008-05-05 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 I haven´t been able to install PyLucene in Debian
 Etch. There is a nice how-to at
 https://systemausfall.org/wikis/howto/PyLuceneOnDebian,
 but I get errors when I try to install jcc, so I can't
 use the latest version of pyLucene. (The error lies in
 the instalation of sun-java5-bin, perhaps because my
 system was Sarge, upgraded to Etch.)

I recently wrote that how-to. I would be happy, if you could solve your problem
and describe your solution there ...

Another option: maybe you could just install a fresh etch installation in a
chroot via debootstrap. There you can build it following the how-to. Afterwards
you could probably move the result of the build into your original sarge/etch
system. (just guessing ...)


 When I try to compile  PyLucene 2.2.0-1 with gcj, I
 can't seem to figure out how to configure the Makefile
 correctly. I have installed gcc 3.4 as recommended,
 but I can't figure out what is the proper value for
 GCJ_HOME in the Makefile. On my system, I don't have a
 directory at /usr/local/gcc-3.4.4 or anything similar.
 If anyone has compiled PyLucene on Debian Etch using
 gcj, could you please send me the Makefile that you
 used.  

I am not sure, if I ever compiled PyLucene with gcj. But at least the following
binary package worked in my (also upgraded) sarge/etch system:
 
http://downloads.osafoundation.org/PyLucene/linux/ubuntu/6.06/PyLucene-2.2.0-1.tar.gz
You just need to move the content of the python directory to the appropriate
place.

I hope, that helps ...
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Re: [translate-pootle] Search facility

2008-04-08 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

  Our translator has asked whether there is a way of searching for a 
  specific string within the interface.  I've tried using the metadata for 
  a specific string as a search term (e.g. searching on 
  basic.src#IDD_FIND_DIALOG.RID_OK.okbutton.text) but Pootle doesn't 
  return a result so obviously that field is not part of the search data.
 
 We could look at including this search field, especially if we have
 indexing enabled on the server. For traditional gettext projects this
 might not be so useful, but probably won't harm anyone. Lars, what is
 your opinion on this?

I guess, this would only change the following:
- (indexing-)database size: not critical
- index generation time: only notable during first initialization
- search time: insignificant (as far as I understand lucene and xapian)

Thus the impact of this feature should be acceptable.
(I never tested indexing with big projects, thus I can only suppose these
effects)


 My only concern is that we probably need a more
 powerful search form to avoid unnecessary matches from places where
 people are not interested. Ideally people should be able to specify
 search fields (source, target, notes, locations).

Yes - this enhanced search form would be necessary.
Improvements regarding the search interface are part of one of our Summer of
Code applications. That would help in this case, of course ...


greetings,
Lars

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Re: [translate-pootle] [PATCH] Support for the Mercurial version control system

2008-03-26 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Miklos,

 i think the only popular vcs today that is unsupported by Pootle is hg.
 so i've made a patch to add support for it :)

that is great!


 patch attached, any feedback is appreciated.

The code itself looks fine to me.

I am not used to mercurial, so I just downloaded a mercurial repository as an
example:
 hg init test
 cd test
 hg pull http://selenic.com/repo/hg-stable
 hg update

Then I switched to the translate directory and tested the getcleanfile
function:
 python storage/versioncontrol/__init__.py SOME_DIR/test/mercurial/repo.py

The resulting error message was: 
 abort: mercurial/repo.py not under root

This problem seems to be fixed after replacing self.location_rel with
self.location_abs in getcleanfile in hg.py.

So I guess, that mercurial needs the absolute file location (in contrast to git
and darcs). But I could not verify this for the update and the commit
function in hg.py, since I don't have a real repository for testing.

Could you check, if everything works after replacing the two
occurrences of location_rel with location_abs?

I noticed another thing while going through the code: in commit the location
of the specific file is not used. I guess, this results in a commit of the
complete local working copy, or? This behaviour would be different from the
other interfaces (svn, cvs, ...) .Could you check that, too, please?

It feels great to see the number of supported systems growing!

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Re: [translate-pootle] Translate Toolkit Pootle in the Google Summer of Code

2008-03-18 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 Translate Toolkit  Pootle have made it into the Google Summer of Code!
 We're quite excited as this is our first year.

that sounds great!


 You can read the synopsis of our application and selected projects [1]
 or check out the ideas page [2].  If you have another project idea then
 please discuss it with us on the mailing list.
 
 We're not just looking for students but also mentors.  So if you've
 worked on the code and have a fairly good understanding of Pootle or the
 Translate Toolkit then you are a mentoring candidate for us.

I would be happy to mentor or to assist in mentoring someone for one of these
two proposals:
 * Pootle OpenID and other data sharing and logging
 * Migrate Pootle off jToolkit
(http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/developers/gsoc2008_ideas)

I am not completely familiar with every detail of the pootle code, but I guess,
it would be sufficient.

Should people who would be willing to mentor or to assist add themselves to the
ideas wiki page? Or did anybody think of a better way of organizing it? :)

greetings!
Lars

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Re: [translate-pootle] Make commits from command line

2008-02-29 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Normando,

 I want to make commit from command line. I can make commits through cron 
 scripts, but I want through pootle, because add a message about 
 translator and translated strings.

I am not sure, if you want to do the commits via command line or via pootle.

For command line: make sure, that you use the appropriate system user (e.g.
pootle) to avoid trouble with file permissions and ownership.

For commits via the pootle web interface take a look at:
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/version_control
http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/pootle/permissions

I hope this helps,
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Re: [translate-pootle] A few questions :)

2008-02-02 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Sebastien,

 SVN Integration:
 
 We have successfully imported then checked out our svn dir (the po  
 dir) and it's working fine for commits.
 But the update link (left to commit link) doesn't work, or at  
 least in doesn't work when there is nothing to get from the svn repo.
  From debugging and stracing, it looks like it choke on the .pending  
 file (only the .po files are under svn, the .pending file show up as  
 ? if you do svn status).

I don't know this specific problem. Could you send us the respective logs?

thanks!
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Re: [translate-pootle] PyLucene v2 support

2008-01-23 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 The current code definitely still works with PyLucene 1.9.1 which I have
 here. I also tried with your patch applied, and it continued to work.

thanks for testing!


  Should I commit the patch?
 
 Yes, please apply.

ok - I did it


 I would however like it if we can upgrade to the
 newer API, as the installation of the older versions are horrible, and I
 guess we are missing out on several improvements to PyLucene made since
 those old versions. But I guess this is what you are busy with, right?

yes - but these changes will take place in the toolkit.
As far as I can see, the current state of the pootle code will magically
start working again with PyLucene v2, as soon as a new toolkit with these
changes will be released. This will take some more effort for me, but I want to
do it very soon ...

regards,
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[translate-pootle] PyLucene v2 support

2008-01-22 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,
today I tried to run pootle while pylucene v2.2 is installed on my machine.

Sadly, an exception was raised with the following output:

start
  File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Pootle/users.py, line 259, in handle
page = self.getpage(pathwords, session, argdict)
  File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Pootle/pootle.py, line 325, in getpage
return indexpage.ProjectLanguageIndex(self.potree, projectcode, session)
  File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Pootle/indexpage.py, line 258, in
__init__ languages = self.getlanguages()
  File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Pootle/indexpage.py, line 286, in
getlanguages languageitems = [self.getlanguageitem(languagecode, languagename)
for languagecode, lang uagename in languages]
  File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Pootle/indexpage.py, line 295, in
getlanguageitem language = self.potree.getproject(languagecode,
self.projectcode) File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Pootle/potree.py,
line 311, in getproject self.projectcache[languagecode, projectcode] =
projects.TranslationProject(languagecode, projectcode, self)
  File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Pootle/projects.py, line 115, in
__init__ self.initindex()
  File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Pootle/projects.py, line 789, in
initindex self.updateindex(pofilename, optimize=False)
  File /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/Pootle/projects.py, line 800, in
updateindex pofilenamequery = self.searcher.makeQuery([(pofilename,
pofilename)], True) File
/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/translate/search/indexer/__init__.py, line
556, in makeQuery query = indexer.QueryParser.parse(search, fieldName, analyzer)
TypeError: descriptor 'parse' requires a 'PyLucene.QueryParser' object but
received a 'str'
/stop

Since I never tried to use pylucene v1.x with pootle (and installing it would
be quite time consuming), I can only guess that this problem is caused by
changes of the pylucene interface from v1.x to v2.x.

This is also indicated by the following mailing list message:
http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/pylucene-dev/2006-May/001067.html


The attached patch would ignore to use PyLucene v2.x. Thus it would allow
people to run pootle even if PyLucene v2 is installed.

It would be great, if anyone with a working innstallation of PyLucene v1.x
could try, if the current pootle code works with it. This could prove that the
current issue with PyLucene is version-dependent.

Any other ideas?

Should I commit the patch?

regards,
Lars
Index: Pootle/projects.py
===
--- Pootle/projects.py	(Revision 6926)
+++ Pootle/projects.py	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -757,9 +757,28 @@
   yield self.pofilenames[index]
   index += 1
 
+  def check_indexer(self):
+test if there is a supported indexing engine
+
+PyLucene v2.x is not supported yet, since the arguments of QueryParser changed
+see http://lists.osafoundation.org/pipermail/pylucene-dev/2006-May/001067.html
+
+if not indexer.HAVE_INDEXER:
+return False
+try:
+lucene_version = indexer.indexer.LUCENE_VERSION
+if lucene_version.startswith(1.):
+return True
+else:
+# PyLucene v2.x is not supported yet
+return False
+except AttributeError:
+# any other indexer is ok
+return True
+
   def initindex(self):
 initializes the search index
-if not indexer.HAVE_INDEXER:
+if not self.check_indexer():
   return
 self.indexdir = os.path.join(self.podir, .poindex-%s-%s % (self.projectcode, self.languagecode))
 class indexconfig:
@@ -775,7 +794,7 @@
 
   def updateindex(self, pofilename, items=None, optimize=True):
 updates the index with the contents of pofilename (limit to items if given)
-if not indexer.HAVE_INDEXER:
+if not self.check_indexer():
   return
 pofile = self.pofiles[pofilename]
 # check if the pomtime in the index == the latest pomtime
@@ -846,7 +865,7 @@
 
   def indexsearch(self, search, returnfields):
 returns the results from searching the index with the given search
-if not indexer.HAVE_INDEXER:
+if not self.check_indexer():
   return False
 searchparts = []
 if search.searchtext:
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Re: [translate-pootle] Error sending mail: All recipients refused

2008-01-12 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Gustavo,

 I configured AuthUser and AuthPass, and I could send emails after
 configuring ssmtp.

hm - it looks, like I will run out of ideas quite soon ...


just another two questions:

1) you surely did not forget to reconfigure the smtp server in pootle to
point to localhost?

2) please try to run the attached python script (python mailtest.py) on the
pootle host. You should change the sender and recipient mail address to some
realistic values (the domains may not be the ones that are managed by your mail
hub).
What is the output?
Does the mail arrive at its destination?


good luck,
Lars
import smtplib

smtp = smtplib.SMTP()

smtp.connect(localhost)
refused = smtp.sendmail([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], test)

print Refused recipients: %s % (refused,)

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Re: [translate-pootle] Error sending mail: All recipients refused

2008-01-11 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi Gustavo,

 Lars, I've installed ssmtp and it works fine; however, I'm still
 getting the same error in Pootle when someone tries to create an
 account; do I have to do something else?
 
 Anyways, /usr/bin/mail is a softlink to /usr/sbin/ssmtp

just to make sure, that I understand you correctly:

1) did you configure AuthUser and AuthPass in ssmtp.conf? (otherwise your
real mail server would (?) still refuse to relay mails for other domains)

2) did you manually try to send a mail to an external domain (not managed by
your mailserver) via ssmtp?
 e.g.: echo foo | ssmtp -s subject bar [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: [translate-pootle] Error sending mail: All recipients refused

2007-12-09 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

   Both the smtp server and the from address are right. Does it require a
   password?
 
  I'm fairly sure that this is a configuration issue for your SMTP server.
  Is there anything else on your machine using that mail server that is
  able to send mail out?
 
 The SMTP server has been working fine. We have mailing lists and
 dynamic websites that use that server everyday.
 
 However, Pootle and our SMTP server run on different hosts... Is there
 any problem with this? All of our websites are hosted on a shared
 host, except our Pootle installation (which has its own server).

as you pointed out later, this sounds like a mail server configuration issue. If
the mail server and the pootle server are not part of a private subnet, then the
mail server will surely require some authentication before relaying arbitrary
mail.
(otherwise I would call it an open relay, which would be bad)

Maybe you want to try if the mail server accepts mails from the pootle host by
opening a smtp session manually?
Just do:
 telnet $mailserver 25
and then:
 MAIL From: $your_from_address
and finally:
 RCPT To: $some_destination_address

I assume that the mail server will reject the recipient, since it is not
managing the destination domain.

As far as I can tell, pootle does not support smtp authentication for these
cases. So maybe you want to use something like ssmtp or estmp for relaying
the mail to the mail server. These programs support smtp authentication and act
as a local mailserver (relay only).


hope that helps,
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Re: [translate-pootle] Running Pootle as non-root

2007-11-06 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 Yes, I modified it, but I've just replaced it with the default file and
 it's not working either:
 [...]

I took a look at your preferences file and it seems to me, that the entries for
Korean, Romanian and Turkish are not indented in the same way, as the
other lines (one space is missing). Maybe that is the problem?
Are your sure, that this file was part of a pootle release?
If yes: which one?

thanks!
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Re: [translate-pootle] How/where to specify source/base/original language

2007-11-06 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 We have setup Pootle and everything is working, we only experience one 
 problem: when using the online editor, the 'Original' text is not displayed.

I am not sure, if I understand you. Maybe you could send a screenshot?

thanks!
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Re: [translate-pootle] Running Pootle as non-root

2007-11-05 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 I've successfully installed Pootle on a shared host, but I can't get it 
 working.
 
 I'm facing two problems, as far as I can see:
  1.- I should edit the Apache configuration file to add a virtual host.
  2.- I can only run PootleServer as root.
 
 As for problem 1, I might ask my ISP to add it for me. But, how do I work 
 around problem 2?

If I am correct, then the only thing requiring root permissions is the port,
that you are trying to use. (only root can bind to ports below 1024)

Do you use the default port (8080)?
You can use the -p option to change the port to something = 1024.

Or is there another problem?

regards,
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Re: [translate-pootle] Running Pootle as non-root

2007-11-05 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 I get this error:
 [my_server]$ PootleServer --prefsfile=pootle/pootle.prefs --port=8080
 2007-11-05 14:40:00: Listening on port 8080
 2007-11-05 14:40:00: To use the server, open a web browser at 
 http://127.0.0.1:8080/
 2007-11-05 14:40:00: Traceback (most recent call last):
   File /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/jToolkit/web/simplewebserver.py, 
 line 613, in getserver
   File /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/jToolkit/web/__init__.py, line 160, 
 in getserverwithprefs
   File /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/jToolkit/prefs.py, line 428, in 
 parsefile
   File /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/jToolkit/prefs.py, line 418, in 
 parse
   File /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/jToolkit/prefs.py, line 312, in 
 handleindents
   File /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/jToolkit/sparse.py, line 225, in 
 raiseerror
 ParserError: invalid indentation at line 441, char 9 (token '\n   ')
 
 2007-11-05 14:40:00: Error initializing server, exiting: invalid indentation 
 at line 441, char 9 (toke n '\n   ')

it looks like there is a wrong indentation in your preferences file (e.g.
/etc/pootle/pootle.prefs or pootle.prefs in your Pootle directory) in line 441.

Wrong indentation could mean:
 - mixing tabs and spaces
 - too many/few spaces/tabs in that line (look at the lines above, too)

Did you change the preferences file manually?

L

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Re: [translate-pootle] pootle versioncontrol

2007-10-19 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 Any help in getting git+Pootle work together will be greatly 
 appreciated. (btw, the irc#pootle help has been fantastic :)

hehe - thanks for your patience and efforts in testing it!
I found the missing part of the version control patch, that was only here on
the systems, where I tested the version control support - but it never made its
way to the repository :(

It is now committed as revision [6641].

Please check, if git now works for you!

regards,
Lars
Index: indexpage.py
===
--- indexpage.py	(Revision 6528)
+++ indexpage.py	(Arbeitskopie)
@@ -744,12 +744,14 @@
 molink = {href: moname, text: self.localize('MO file')}
 actionlinks.append(molink)
 if update in linksrequired and admin in self.rights:
-  if versioncontrol.hasversioning(os.path.join(self.project.podir, self.dirname)):
+  if versioncontrol.hasversioning(os.path.join(self.project.podir,
+  self.dirname, basename)):
 # l10n: Update from version control (like CVS or Subversion)
 updatelink = {href: index.html?editing=1doupdate=1updatefile=%s % (basename), text: self.localize('Update')}
 actionlinks.append(updatelink)
 if commit in linksrequired and commit in self.rights:
-  if versioncontrol.hasversioning(os.path.join(self.project.podir, self.dirname)):
+  if versioncontrol.hasversioning(os.path.join(self.project.podir,
+  self.dirname, basename)):
 # l10n: Commit to version control (like CVS or Subversion)
 commitlink = {href: index.html?editing=1docommit=1commitfile=%s % (basename), text: self.localize('Commit')}
 actionlinks.append(commitlink)
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[translate-pootle] Keeping track of changes (was: How do I know Pootle is working)

2007-10-11 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 So we're failing here in the community building.

Additionally I would think, that the missing reporting features for important
changes also impair potential peer reviews.


Maybe the following thoughts can start a discussion that could end up in a
specific feature request to be added to the bugtracker?


what are possible changes and who would be interested?

1) changing a translations: the previous translator (for a discussion?)

2) adding a suggestions: people with the permission to approve suggestions

3) approving a suggestion: all contributors of suggestions for the translation
string

The language/project maintainers could be interested in all of the above
changes, too.


How to publish these changes:

A) via a recent-changes page (similar to wikis) - filtering for
projects/languages could be useful

B) notification mails for interested/subscribed users

any other ideas?

Lars

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Re: [translate-pootle] How do I know Pootle is working

2007-10-10 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 Hi. I signed at translate.creativecommons.org to help translating things 
 about ccHost to Spanish. However, I have no idea if my suggestions were 
 stored, are waiting for approval, dismissed, accepted, returned for 
 improvement, etc. 

you should be able to see your suggestions when you log in and take a look at
the respective strings. This works, or?


 Each time I go to the project page I see the same 
 statistics and I don't know how to see my contributions so far.

If I don't mix it up now, you will not see your suggestions in the statistics
overview (only translated/fuzzy/untranslated), until someone with the
appropriate rights approved your suggestions. This kind of setup is the current
default for pootle installations.
Maybe it could be helpful, to send a mail to the maintainer (?) of the Spanish
translation of ccHost and ask him to approve you suggestions. (if you think,
that this is appropriate)

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Re: [translate-pootle] versioncontrol moving to translate toolkit

2007-09-14 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 the following set of patches and the described svn commands are a proposal
 for the move of the versioncontrol features to the translate toolkit.

 [...]

any opinions about the patch?

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Re: [translate-pootle] versioncontrol moving to translate toolkit

2007-09-14 Thread Lars Kruse
Hi,

 I'm sorry. We're very busy preparing for software freedom day tomorrow.

never mind - it was just a reminder - there is no need to hurry ...


 I committed everything you sent in the previous mail to svn trunk with
 revisions 6528-6530.

thanks!

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