Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel, Debian and Free Software

2017-12-01 Thread jason
"Which OS is wrong?" They're both right. The firmware was originally proprietary but was freed on March 8, 2013. But it didn't appear in Debian Unstable until March ***2017***, an entire four years later and even then, it won't appear in a Debian stable release until Debian 10 codename

Re: [Trisquel-users] System76. A step in the right direction.

2017-12-01 Thread jason
More is needed. Much more.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel, Debian and Free Software

2017-12-01 Thread Ignacio Agulló
On 01/12/17 22:11, wrote: > Debian is 100% free and so is Trisquel. But in Debian it's possible to > install non-free software. You don't have a clue, my dear. In Trisquel is possible to install non-free software. In Debian not only is possible to install non-free software, but

Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8

2017-12-01 Thread Caleb Herbert
My ath9k worked on T8 when I tried the live system. -- Caleb Herbert OpenPGP public key: http://bluehome.net/csh/pubkey signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel, Debian and Free Software

2017-12-01 Thread masonhock
If Stretch or older you'll need this. https://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-ath9k-htc

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel, Debian and Free Software

2017-12-01 Thread masonhock
Which version of Debian do you have?

Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8

2017-12-01 Thread masonhock
Unfortunately it looks like LXDE has broken dependencies too.

Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8

2017-12-01 Thread greatgnu
>or give Purism credit for other people's work? oh yeah..now we talk brother, we need one such thread ASAP, directing my self into making one right now! Thank you for the reminder!

Re: [Trisquel-users] So.....I installed Trisquel 8.

2017-12-01 Thread greatgnu
>I have removed .. VLC and replaced with mpv. muh man! :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8

2017-12-01 Thread masonhock
Nice. I just started with the default, shrunk and added to the panel, and installed Synapse.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Google DRM Linux kernel.

2017-12-01 Thread leestrobel
It is very unsettling how many companies seem to be embracing this very closed philosophy towards hardware and drivers. Are they releasing a new GPU that will only work with this new non-free driver?

[Trisquel-users] Trisquel, Debian and Free Software

2017-12-01 Thread davidecaramori
Debian is 100% free and so is Trisquel. But in Debian it's possible to install non-free software. When I'm using Trisquel my TP-Link WN422G (usb wifi adapter) works perfectly without any modifications, but on Debian requires non-free firmware (firmware-atheros). What is going on? Which OS is

Re: [Trisquel-users] Google DRM Linux kernel.

2017-12-01 Thread contact
Ahh, Intel. They still have factories on occupied Palestinian land, as mandated by U.N. Resolution 242. Hewlett Packard provides the infrastructure for Israel's ongoing subjugation of Palestinians. Apple continues to avoid paying taxes and exploit Chinese workers. No shortage of Evil

Re: [Trisquel-users] Starting T7 GNOME Shell

2017-12-01 Thread cuculus
With stock Trisquel 7: After you have run... sudo apt-get install gnome ...and selected gnome (gdm I think) in the thing that pops up in the terminal-- reboot. Next to the password field you should see a small circle with a gear in it (or something like that) that wasn't there before. Click

Re: [Trisquel-users] Google DRM Linux kernel.

2017-12-01 Thread gnugaz77
Yes I know but this a push by Google and Intel to get DRM into the kernel. Most people in the FreeSoftware world use Intel for graphics this will stop it. non-free is bad enough but now DRM. By the way I like Assange.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Google DRM Linux kernel.

2017-12-01 Thread contact
Didn't you know? Google IS evil. They have been evil for a long time. Read "When Google Met Wikileaks" by Julian Assange, if you like or dislike Assange, he still makes valid points. Watch this documentary on Google, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJDY935hOic Google is an advertising

Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8

2017-12-01 Thread enduzzer
MATE's your uncle! I installed T8 minimal netinst. Added xorg, lightdm and mate + some other programs like Synaptic. It's pretty vanilla.

[Trisquel-users] Google DRM Linux kernel.

2017-12-01 Thread gnugaz77
Google is pushing HDCP ( High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection ) or DRM into the Linux kernel via Intel open source graphics driver. Not accepted yet but just be a matter of time. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=2017-Google-Intel-HDCP-DRM

Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8

2017-12-01 Thread leestrobel
Interesting - thanks for the info. I use LXDE on my laptop - has anyone tried that out yet?

Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8

2017-12-01 Thread masonhock
If you stick to MATE everything works great except for a few minor bugs. The only important missing/broken packages I've run into are firmware-ath9k-htc (so some users might have to build it or download a deb file to use WiFi) and some dependencies of Xfce. Things like this might be what is

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about fully free computers

2017-12-01 Thread leestrobel
I bought a second-hand Macbook off of Ebay, which was very easy to flash with Libreboot. It can be done with a command line tool, without needing any special hardware. I had probably spent around $200 on it, by the time I bought a new battery and fan, but it's a great machine and runs very

Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8

2017-12-01 Thread leestrobel
This is great news. It sounds like there shouldn't be a huge amount to do then to get it fully released, if it is working for most users? I haven't installed it yet myself, but will do when I can find some time.

Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8

2017-12-01 Thread Ignacio Agulló
Well-reasoned list. -- Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es 0xC6AB2D51.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

[Trisquel-users] System76. A step in the right direction.

2017-12-01 Thread gnugaz77
System76 are disabling Intel ME and all, I think, models that they sell. People with more knowledge than me, could this lead to librebooting these systems or is more needed. Needless to say they are doing this from a security point not a FreeSoftware point.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Today it's Romania's National Day: Interview with Technoethical and 10% discount for the whole weekend

2017-12-01 Thread christoph . vanecek
Hello Technoethical Community, Hello Tiberiu, La multi ani, de ziua nationala a Romaniei! Very good interview for giving a wider audience information about the importance of free software and a little bit insight in your motivation, why you are doing all this. I will place my order for a

Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Vim vs Emacs

2017-12-01 Thread Caleb Herbert
Please refrain from top-posting. http://www.palmyanoff.com/trimpost.htm Thanks for providing a work-around. I'll try using it if I switch from Evolution to Gnus. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Vim vs Emacs

2017-12-01 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
It's indeed strange, I also experienced it when I first tried, all I had to do was: 1. Install `smtpmail-async' Emacs module/package. 2. Require it in the ".emacs" file, with something like: --8<---cut here---start->8--- (require 'smtpmail-async nil t)

Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8

2017-12-01 Thread ablocorrea
Trisquel 8 is working flawlessly for most of us using it. I recently migrated from Fedora and the only difference I have felt is the software in Trisquel is a little bit older that the one installed in Fedora (that has releases with 1 year life cycle, so it is expected to have very

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about fully free computers

2017-12-01 Thread gnugaz77
Have a look on ebay. I got my Librebooted Thinkpad T500 for £130 GBP and free postage.

Re: [Trisquel-users] So.....I installed Trisquel 8.

2017-12-01 Thread Caleb Herbert
Ha, Haiku OS. You're right! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about fully free computers

2017-12-01 Thread Cassandra of Troy
I have had the same experience as calher. The X60 is just a software boot--you can honestly libreboot that model just by copying and pasting and believing in yourself. The libreboot documentation has not quite caught up to all the worki the libreboot devs have been doing, apparently, since I have

Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Vim vs Emacs

2017-12-01 Thread Caleb Herbert
Gnus locks up my environment. Why do you like it? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Trisquel-users] So.....I installed Trisquel 8.

2017-12-01 Thread davidpgil
after looking at MPV briefly, I think its because it looks like a modern video player with a better user experience. no need to be a hipster/ricer, imo. if you want to talk about hipster software oftions, i would look into installing Haiku OS (https://www.haiku-os.org/about/) Cheers!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Vim vs Emacs

2017-12-01 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Also, the "Eva Luator" and the "mail.provider.tld" are just examples, I don't have anything to do with them and I don't know if they exist. I know that "Eva Luator" is sometimes used as an example name in the field of programming. ;)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about fully free computers

2017-12-01 Thread Caleb Herbert
It's easy to find a working X60/X200 in the garbage, flash it with Libreboot, and use it. For most things, they work. I play Minetest and watch movies in Kodi without issues. My only problem is VMs, and this has made it hard if not impossible to work on Trisquel 8. signature.asc Description:

Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Vim vs Emacs

2017-12-01 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Personally, I prefer Emacs Gnus for sending and reading email. There are somethings you have to be aware if configuring multiple accounts, but that is minor issue, for such cases, in your .emacs file, you can do something like this if you, like me, prefer to send email using SMTP (with the

Re: [Trisquel-users] So.....I installed Trisquel 8.

2017-12-01 Thread Caleb Herbert
Nothing's wrong with VLC, it's just that hipsters and ricers like to use MPV because it's considered cool. -- Caleb Herbert OpenPGP public key: http://bluehome.net/csh/pubkey signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Starting T7 GNOME Shell

2017-12-01 Thread Caleb Herbert
Attached as dfoutput.txt. Not much was freed, even after guix gc -- Caleb Herbert OpenPGP public key: http://bluehome.net/csh/pubkey Script started on Fri 01 Dec 2017 08:38:50 AM CST cal@leela:~$ df Filesystem1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on udev

Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8

2017-12-01 Thread Caleb Herbert
I have decided to stay on Trisquel 7 for the following reasons. * easy for non-technical users * good community * FSF uses it * My email provider, more reliable than my laptop, uses T6 * doesn't use a different, misleading definition of "free" * doesn't talk

Re: [Trisquel-users] So.....I installed Trisquel 8.

2017-12-01 Thread gnugaz77
Nothing wrong with VLC its just that I prefer mpv.

Re: [Trisquel-users] So.....I installed Trisquel 8.

2017-12-01 Thread davidpgil
I've been using Trisquel 8 for about 6 months now and it's basically been flawless for me. I'd say all it needs is the updater from Trisquel 7 and you could call it Trisquel 8. By the way, I was unaware there is an issue with VLC. Whats wrong with it? Congrats on the upgrade!

[Trisquel-users] Thoughts about fully free computers

2017-12-01 Thread davidecaramori
In this period unfortunately I don't have enough money to buy a fully Free Laptop, also because the price is not really cheap. I understand that the price may be fair and is not possible to reduce it since companies that sell fully free computers at lower price wouldn't earn enough. On the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Vim vs Emacs

2017-12-01 Thread Caleb Herbert
Yes, you're right! DIRED is the best file manager ever. If I could use it as my one and only file manager, I would. Unfortunately, when I plug in a new flash drive, it doesn't open up an Emacs client with DIRED. Emacs for email is quite useful as well, although I've only used the Emacs mail

Re: [Trisquel-users] Intel AMT and Free Software

2017-12-01 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Also be careful with "UEFI" in general. Technically, there are two types: a) Secure Boot: free/libre system distribution friendly, and free/libre software friendly. In this scenario the device manufacturer allows the user *himself* to manage the trust keys *completely* --- and also

[Trisquel-users] Re : Vim vs Emacs

2017-12-01 Thread lcerf
When it comes to efficiently edit texts, both are excellent... once you know them. So, I would say, it makes little sense to learn both: one is enough. I argue in favor of Emacs for two main reasons: Learning Emacs is easier than learning vim. You can actually type text after launching

[Trisquel-users] Re : how to upgrade to belenos from 6.0

2017-12-01 Thread lcerf
Are you sure you are actually running Trisquel 6? Executing the following command in a terminal is a way to tell: $ lsb_release -r If you really use the 6.0 release, then stay in the terminal to execute: $ sudo do-release-upgrade

[Trisquel-users] Re : Starting T7 GNOME Shell

2017-12-01 Thread lcerf
No full partition (the 'df' command tells)? I start to run out of ideas...

Re: [Trisquel-users] trisquel 8

2017-12-01 Thread jodiendo
CalmStorm i already migrated to devuan but hyperbola it is a GNU FSDG ,Free System Distribution Guidelines https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html ill wait until they get their FSF FULL RECOGNITION.

[Trisquel-users] Today it's Romania's National Day: Interview with Technoethical and 10% discount for the whole weekend

2017-12-01 Thread info
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