Re: [Trisquel-users] Million dollar question concerning the hardware we use

2013-09-22 Thread mikko . viinamaki
https://www.blackhat.com/html/bh-us-12/bh-us-12-archives.html#Brossard backdooring of hardware is practical

Re: [Trisquel-users] Recording from the sound card output

2013-09-22 Thread mikko . viinamaki
You might want to try the recordmydesktop package. It supposedly grabs video and audio. It's got a GTK frontend in gtk-recordmydesktop package.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How many people are working on Trisquel? Which libre Linux distro has the most developers?

2013-09-21 Thread mikko . viinamaki
This is such an important issue! I keep wondering what else I can do. Here are some ways to participate https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/how-help

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to Install Trisquel 6.0

2013-09-20 Thread mikko . viinamaki
What sources do you use? If you have the 6.0 on a USB stick, you could of course just install it. Just make sure you choose manual partitioning and choose to NOT format your existing home partition. (Then again, even this won't be a problem since by now you surely have a backup! :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Where to find and start certain applications

2013-09-20 Thread mikko . viinamaki
After you've installed package PACKAGENAME, you can use the following command to find the binaries (executables) it contains dpkg -L PACKAGENAME|grep /bin/ Those might be GUI apps or not. If you omit the grep part (|grep /bin/), you'll see all files in the package. Looks like that python gpg

Re: [Trisquel-users] How to Install Trisquel 6.0

2013-09-20 Thread mikko . viinamaki
That's right. And at partitioning choose the old root (/) for root and select to format it and choose the old home for home and DON'T format it and the old swap for swap.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Youtube trying xss attacks?

2013-09-20 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Giorgio's aware of this forums.informaction.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=17069

Re: [Trisquel-users] RMS Talk From LibrePlanet

2013-09-19 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Here's more videos from Libreplanet http://libreplanet.org/wiki/LibrePlanet:Conference/2013/Video

Re: [Trisquel-users] RMS Talk From LibrePlanet

2013-09-19 Thread mikko . viinamaki
And when you go to see RMS, hand him some money. I did that and it felt great, the best 100 euros I ever spent.

Re: [Trisquel-users] RMS Talk From LibrePlanet

2013-09-19 Thread mikko . viinamaki
He didn't ask for a donation, don't remember seeing him doing that on the videos either. When I gave him the bill he asked if it was for a FSF membership. I said it was his to use as he sees fit.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Some current free software friendly hardware

2013-09-18 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Wikis range from wide open for everybody to strictly restricted. Libreplanet is open but you do need to register. Wikis are wonderful collaborative tools.

Re: [Trisquel-users] The BBC

2013-09-17 Thread mikko . viinamaki
2) It seems to me people are interested, as they should be since it's their dime. Here's a few related findings http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Defective_by_Design/Ideas/Guide#BBC_DRM.3F http://www.fsf.org/news/bbc_iplayer http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/w3c-soul-at-stake

Re: [Trisquel-users] fsck question

2013-09-17 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Looks like the automatic fsck has been disabled. You can set it using tune2fs.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with qemu

2013-09-17 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Check your BIOS setup, perhaps the virtualization support is turned off?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Some current free software friendly hardware

2013-09-17 Thread mikko . viinamaki
http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/Freest

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel v gNewSense

2013-09-16 Thread mikko . viinamaki
The dream distro for me would be 100% kosher Slackware. Dragora probably gets closest http://www.dragora.org/en/index.html

Re: [Trisquel-users] Problems with qemu

2013-09-15 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Does your hardware support virtualization, i.e. does the following command give you output?grep -E 'svm|vmx' /proc/cpuinfo If yes, you might get better results with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine

Re: [Trisquel-users] Intel processor microcode security update for Trisquel

2013-09-13 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Please install the iucode-tool package (from contrib) and the intel-microcode package (from non-free). [...] Intel doesn't publish to the general public much data about microcode updates, therefore we only have very spotty information Wow, I wouldn't touch that with a 20 foot barge pole.

Re: [Trisquel-users] dist-upgrade error

2013-09-13 Thread mikko . viinamaki
You also probably have several kernels, by default new ones get installed but old versions aren't removed. And the default kernels are quite hefty because they contain so many drivers. You can remove all but the latest version. Open Synaptic and search for linux-image.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Sticking To It

2013-09-12 Thread mikko . viinamaki
My question is, how have you kept yourselves on the right track this entire time, and is there any way that I can easily convince my friends to atleast try to not use Micro$oft Windows and proprietary software? Whenever I had strange urges in the past I thought about the great beauty of

Re: [Trisquel-users] GRUB not accepting password

2013-09-12 Thread mikko . viinamaki
It's (implied) in that 01_PASSWORD file.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install 'mplayer-gui', got error messages instead

2013-09-12 Thread mikko . viinamaki
What are the broken packages and how can I fix them? Synaptic custom filters broken, uninstall those.

Re: [Trisquel-users] How many people are working on Trisquel? Which libre Linux distro has the most developers?

2013-09-12 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Here's the FSF stance http://www.gnu.org/distros/optionally-free-not-enough.html

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is RdRand in Linux-Libre?

2013-09-12 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I believe it is but not as the sole source but added to the mix. This way apparently it doesn't matter if isn't perfectly random.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Open source hardware? Free hardware foundation?

2013-09-12 Thread mikko . viinamaki
The schematics for hardware however can be copied, if made public and released under a proper license. Those and other design documents are kind of the source code for hardware. There nothing about documented hardware or free-software-friendly hardware that says please go ahead and take

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is RdRand in Linux-Libre?

2013-09-12 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Maybe there should be (if there isn't already) a piece of code that disables RdRand when no other source of entropy is available, to ensure that it's never used as the sole source of entropy. There already is. It's the nordrand parameter to the kernel.

Re: [Trisquel-users] dist-upgrade error

2013-09-12 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Are you sure root (/) is not full? This command should tell you (assuming you have the default filesystems) df -h -t ext4 -t xfs

Re: [Trisquel-users] How many people are working on Trisquel? Which libre Linux distro has the most developers?

2013-09-12 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Also this prompt http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/2nm9h.jpg (installer prompting for non-free firmware)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fundraising campaign: Privacy Friendly Mail (TLS/OpenGPG/etc) Software

2013-09-12 Thread mikko . viinamaki
PayPal put a hold on the funds. Paypay is a criminal organization, they do this all the time to countless people, just because they can. Here's but the tip of the iceberg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paypal#Criticism

Re: [Trisquel-users] Many unmet dependencies on a new installation

2013-09-11 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Strange. Try removing any i386 (32-bit) packages. No idea how they ended there.

Re: [Trisquel-users] 2 problems with video playback

2013-09-11 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Generally speaking you compile from source. And hope you've got new enough libraries on your system to support the newer version. (It's probably possible to have different versions of libraries on your system too but that's beyond my abilities.) There might be a precompiled version

Re: [Trisquel-users] trouble opening a pdf

2013-09-11 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Here's an earlier discussion on the subject. Unfortunately no solution was found https://trisquel.info/en/forum/can-not-open-pdf-document

Re: [Trisquel-users] Another problem with Abroswer update

2013-09-10 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I can confirm RequestPolicy leads to this behavior. (Tried a new profile with and without RP.)

Re: [Trisquel-users] just told my facebook friends that I'm leaving

2013-09-10 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Just wanted to say thanks for pointing out that Moglen talk, it was excellent. If somebody hasn't seen it, drop what you're doing and go watch it now.

Re: [Trisquel-users] DASH Desktop and Mobile Architecture for System Hardware

2013-09-10 Thread mikko . viinamaki
These efforts probably could use a hand * http://lkcl.net/articles/fsf_endorseable_processor.html * https://www.freedomboxfoundation.org/ * http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:Hardware/Freest

Re: [Trisquel-users] 2 problems with video playback

2013-09-10 Thread mikko . viinamaki
1. https://trisquel.info/en/forum/totem-movie-player-version-301-cant-play-10-bit-h264-videos 2. https://trisquel.info/en/forum/av-lag

Re: [Trisquel-users] Have we to protect ourselves against keyloggers ?

2013-09-10 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Hey shokin! The risk of getting a keylogger is small if you stick to programs in the official Trisquel repositories. You don't need an antivirus. There are no GNU/Linux viruses.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Another problem with Abroswer update

2013-09-10 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Heh, true, actually just like any other web page.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fluxbox problem

2013-09-09 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I too think this sounds like Nautilus. If Dolphin proves too heavy (some KDE progs tend to) there's pcmanfm and probably others.

Re: [Trisquel-users] You might be using a google name server

2013-09-09 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I don't know what they mean but they don't sound dangerous.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fluxbox problem

2013-09-09 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Do I need to mark this solved, somehow? We don't have such a feature here.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Playing video freezes my netbook!

2013-09-08 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Glad to hear you managed to figure it out. Put that insmod in your rc.local. You can include the setpci command in the resume scripts. Read pm-action manual page, that explains where the resume scripts are.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Can't get Qualcomm Atheros AR5212 802.11abg NIC to work

2013-09-08 Thread mikko . viinamaki
What exactly happens?

Re: [Trisquel-users] configuring touchpad fully

2013-09-08 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Dunno if it's the official way but you can control touchpad behavior with synclient. Read the synaptics man page to see how it works. I'm sure it's possible to disable Caps Lock but don't ask me how. Some custom keymap or something.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Selecting language at logon

2013-09-08 Thread mikko . viinamaki
If my search engine-fu is strong, seems it can't be done. A design decision. Perhaps the easiest way would be to try another dm, e.g. lightdm or kdm. Maybe those would be more sane.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fundraising campaign: Privacy Friendly Mail (TLS/OpenGPG/etc) Software

2013-09-07 Thread mikko . viinamaki
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/05/1238242/paypal-freezes-mailpiles-account

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel on Samsung Chromebook?

2013-09-07 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I guess no free GNU/Linux supports ARM even if their upstreams do. *gNewSense *Trisquel *Parabola *Ututo

Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA Decryption capabilities

2013-09-06 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Who's the conspiracy theorist now?

Re: [Trisquel-users] You might be using a google name server

2013-09-05 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Try. If after removing it the internet don't work, replace it with something else. Like the DNS from your ISP or anything you like.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Where can I ask for help and report bugs?

2013-09-05 Thread mikko . viinamaki
For general discussion on free GNU/Linux distros the #fsf channel at irc.freenode.net is probably a good place.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Does anyone else have no arrows on their scroll bars?

2013-09-03 Thread mikko . viinamaki
No arrows here either. I would have no use for them because I use the scrollwheel on my mouse or the side of the touchpad. You might need to edit some userchrome files, wonder if this old incantation works http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=2209125#p2209125

Re: [Trisquel-users] Playing video freezes my netbook!

2013-09-03 Thread mikko . viinamaki
The first file for the Intel IGD stays at 250 no matter the brightness level. You could try changing this to 255 to see if that makes any difference. This might fry your hw, no idea.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Playing video freezes my netbook!

2013-09-02 Thread mikko . viinamaki
The first 2 seem interesting. Check their values as you change brightness. They probably change between 0 and 255. You can try editing those files as super user. (Weird thing might happen if you should input a value outside of the range.)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Playing video freezes my netbook!

2013-09-02 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Look at the first 2 for intel.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Playing video freezes my netbook!

2013-09-01 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Can you change the brightness with the Fn keys? Have you checked out what the corresponding brightness values are in sysfs. Maybe it doesn't go all the way for whatever reason but can be manually adjusted. You can probably find the correct file with find /sys -name brightness

Re: [Trisquel-users] ThinkPenguin now accepting Bitcoins with BitPay

2013-09-01 Thread mikko . viinamaki
BitPay requires users to give their name, removing one incentive to use Bitcoin in the first place (the opportunity for privacy, although Bitcoin isn't private by default). I understand that, like EFF, ThinkPenguin is probably concerned about financial regulations. Yet that's no worse

Re: [Trisquel-users] Best free forum software - phpBB, Simple Machines, or MyBB?

2013-08-31 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I have been a user of phpbb on various boards for a long time and it's good. It also has the most pro-freedom license of them. (strong copyleft) I haven't administered any or even used the others as far as I know so can't comment on those.

Re: [Trisquel-users] What Happened to the Long Package Descriptions in Synaptic?

2013-08-31 Thread mikko . viinamaki
At least this would suggest it's not (completely) fixed info/en/issues/9066#comment-41909

Re: [Trisquel-users] Has Minitube gone non-Free?

2013-08-31 Thread mikko . viinamaki
If it is based on older Minitube code, isn't it even impossible as per the GPL for it to be made non-Free? If the copyright holder of a GPL'd project decides to make it proprietary unlike anybody else he can. The older versions however remain GPL'd. I've been suggesting that the FSF could

Re: [Trisquel-users] VirtualBox Being Removed From Trisquel

2013-08-30 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Let's start a fund raiser for poor little Oracle so they'll get enough resources! /sarcasm

Re: [Trisquel-users] Ubuntu 13.10 the second step to spy its users ?

2013-08-30 Thread mikko . viinamaki
While it's not nearly as bad as this, this kinda reminds me of the *entirely optional* donation at Ubuntu download time. The options are labeled Pay with PayPal and Not now, take me to the download. Nice style of doing business those Ubuntu folks have...

Re: [Trisquel-users] Playing video freezes my netbook!

2013-08-29 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Those are meta packages depending on the real deals. And dependencies are not removed when you remove a package. So you need to pop open synaptic and search for linux-image (state:installed) and remove the ones you wish.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Java Compiler

2013-08-29 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I believe what you're looking for is the openjdk-7-jdk package.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Notifications - Trisquel Mini

2013-08-28 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Hi there! I use the osd_cat command from xosd-bin package to display various things. For example this is my shortcut to display batteryosd_cat -A center -o10 -d3 -b percentage -T Battery -c yellow -P$((100*`cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/charge_now`/`cat

Re: [Trisquel-users] Playing video freezes my netbook!

2013-08-28 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Not really as 3.5 is relatively old. The easiest way to test the newest stable versions is by using jxself's repo at http://jxself.org/linux-libre/

Re: [Trisquel-users] Playing video freezes my netbook!

2013-08-27 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Yes, that can be so. But perhaps the latest kernel contains a free stack, it's easy to test.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Want to change my wifi card, but I need help

2013-08-27 Thread mikko . viinamaki
If you plug in an external monitor, can you get it to work?

Re: [Trisquel-users] hw/swcursor on eee pc x101ch

2013-08-26 Thread mikko . viinamaki
pre tags code tags The identifier can be anything unique. Yeah, no nvidia in sight, perhaps it was a leftover from where ever. One option would be to try a very recent kernel, like 3.10.*.

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU-Linux on Wikipedia

2013-08-25 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Yes, this is quite annoying. I think this is because of the clueless Linux horde, people who never heard of GNU and don't like to read to educate themselves. You know, like your average Ubuntu user. And then there's the shills who're paid to dislike and marginalize GNU and love their

Re: [Trisquel-users] HLA (High Level Assembly): sh: 1: hlaparse: not found

2013-08-25 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Does the problematic file have execute permission set? Is it for wrong arch, i.e. 32-bit instead of 64-bit? ps. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/loose

Re: [Trisquel-users] hw/swcursor on eee pc x101ch

2013-08-25 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Redshift works for me on radeon. What is the error message? The intel driver doesn't according to the man page have any option to draw cursor in either hw or sw.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Playing video freezes my netbook!

2013-08-25 Thread mikko . viinamaki
According to the man page intel supports the i810, i810-DC100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 852GM, 855GM, 865G, 915G, 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 965G, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 945GME, G33, Q33, Q35, G35, GM45, G45, Q45, G43, G41 chipsets, and Pineview-M in Atom N400 series, Pineview-D in Atom D400/D500

Re: [Trisquel-users] hw/swcursor on eee pc x101ch

2013-08-25 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Try putting this to /etc/X11/xorg.conf Section Device Identifier my intel cardie name Driver intel Option NoAccel true EndSection That should kill all hw acceleration. If it works with that, you can try enabling some accels to see if you find a

Re: [Trisquel-users] hw/swcursor on eee pc x101ch

2013-08-25 Thread mikko . viinamaki
That option is for the nouveau driver. Do you have a nvidia GPU? You can try and see what main menu system details say about your gfx. Or you can try to decipher xorg's log file.

Re: [Trisquel-users] hw/swcursor on eee pc x101ch

2013-08-25 Thread mikko . viinamaki
That xorg.conf snippet should do it. What does lspci -nn spit out?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser 23.0 not displaying text

2013-08-23 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Maybe the font has become corrupted for whatever reason? Try removing and re-installing the fonts-liberation package. Is your disk dying?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Boot to Consolecal

2013-08-23 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Yeah, that's how you'd expect it to work but Trisquel uses gdm. And upstart with its fancy dependency based start. This means you'll have to edit /etc/init/gdm.conf. Change the and runlevel [!06] to and runlevel [!026]. So it will add 2 which is the default runlevel to the runlevels to not

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser 23.0 not displaying text

2013-08-23 Thread mikko . viinamaki
You're welcome and good to hear that's fixed! The method to my madness was first to notice the error message mentioned Liberation sans bold which I knew to be a font. Then I searched my disk for Liberation to find the corresponding file and then I searched the packages to see which one

Re: [Trisquel-users] You might be using a google name server

2013-08-23 Thread mikko . viinamaki
You must have some working DNS servers or the internet won't work for you. You could e.g. ask your ISP for details or use something like opennic. If you edit resolv.conf it won't do much good as you've noticed as the settings are in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail I should've been

Re: [Trisquel-users] You might be using a google name server

2013-08-23 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Thank you quidam!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser 23.0 not displaying text

2013-08-23 Thread mikko . viinamaki
SSDs work kinda like USBs, no moving parts in the drive. Yes, that's about as much as I know about it. But I don't know how they break. And no, I've never torrent anything in me life ;P Let's change that! http://www.clearbits.net/

[Trisquel-users] You're Invited: GNU 30th anniversary celebration and hackathon

2013-08-23 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Featuring: Richard Stallman When: September 27 - 29 Where: MIT, Cambridge, MA https://www.gnu.org/gnu30/

Re: [Trisquel-users] What Happened to the Long Package Descriptions in Synaptic?

2013-08-22 Thread mikko . viinamaki
This bothers me too. I filed https://trisquel.info/en/issues/9066

Re: [Trisquel-users] Non-free drivers, mp3, gnome or lxde

2013-08-22 Thread mikko . viinamaki
linux as their main OS GNU/Linux https://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html

Re: [Trisquel-users] Playing video freezes my netbook!

2013-08-20 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I've read of trouble on systems with more than one GPU. Can you disable either in the BIOS setup?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Domain Name Registration

2013-08-20 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Does the EFF have a wiki?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Compiz has taken over my desktop

2013-08-20 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Does this help? https://trisquel.info/en/forum/taskbar-clears-after-updating-60#comment-31868

Re: [Trisquel-users] System Proxy Setting

2013-08-20 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Please search the forum before asking next time! https://trisquel.info/en/forum/system-proxy#comment-33378

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is free software the package libdcmtk2?

2013-08-20 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I agree with both points. Is there some specific issue that's bothering you?

Re: [Trisquel-users] DVD Playback Problem: How Do I Configure the Buffer?

2013-08-20 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Don't watch DVDs so don't have any experience. Maybe one could use hdparm as a workaround. But don't destroy your system with it! :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Compiz has taken over my desktop

2013-08-19 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Related bug, dunno if applicable here https://trisquel.info/en/issues/7862

Re: [Trisquel-users] Install Huawei E392 USB LTE Drivers

2013-08-19 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Hello! The probably cause is it requires a proprietary firmware to run that is included in Linux but not in Linux-libre. If that is the case, your best bet is to get another modem.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Non-free drivers, mp3, gnome or lxde

2013-08-19 Thread mikko . viinamaki
We don't support anything proprietary here, Trisquel GNU/Linux is about freedom. What is your output of lspci -nn

Re: [Trisquel-users] Playing video freezes my netbook!

2013-08-19 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Probably overheats. What's your output of lspci -nn

Re: [Trisquel-users] What makes UNFREEDOM. Origins of life-disapproving atmosphere.

2013-08-18 Thread mikko . viinamaki
c) Copyright infringement

Re: [Trisquel-users] Does anyone knows about Libre Programs that support language development for children with speeach impairments.

2013-08-18 Thread mikko . viinamaki
I'm no Development specialist but I'm sure if you read a lot to her that will help. Don't get too scared and keep it fun and remember the change won't come over night. Reading will teach her much more besides speech. Maybe also more time with friends, i.e. more speech, might help. In

Re: [Trisquel-users] Libre Guitar Tuner

2013-08-17 Thread mikko . viinamaki
lol

Re: [Trisquel-users] Can't Install/Boot Trisquel

2013-08-17 Thread mikko . viinamaki
How exactly did you try to update the kernel?

Re: [Trisquel-users] having trouble with FreeMind

2013-08-17 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Not familiar with the program. Does it give you an error message? If not, you could try running from command line to see if you get a error then. As a workaround you could take a screenshotty, hit PrintScreen.

Re: [Trisquel-users] could a beginner set up a mail server, and web hosting, using just the terminal?

2013-08-17 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Please, could you put examples of good server machines that runs entirely with free software? That's probably another tutorial! :) Here's some info on that http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw Note that some of the motherboards supported by coreboot may still require proprietary CPU microcode;

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