The wikipedia article says ATM is available with Intel Core vPro processor
family. Am I correct that a missing vPro feature successfully avoids ATM?
I asked because there seem to be some X201i thinkpads with i3-330M, i3-370M,
and i5-430M processors which according to the specs provided by
If thinkpenguin did a similar lappy with more powerful graphics and a docking
station option I would buy two, immediately.
Sadly you often have to pick between freedom and technical superiority, as is
the case here.
And PS, the X60 already has the docking station option.
Not as far as I know as long as you stick with the X60 (plain) or X60s
(slim.) (So, no X60 Tablet.)
Is there any special model of X60 required to install libre coreboot?
I tried ringing the telephone number given at
http://shop.gluglug.org.uk/contact/ (01268 857 769), but received an
automated voice telling me, You've dialled an incorrect number. Please check
the number and try again.
Uhm, are you in the UK as well? If not, you need to add the international
call prefix.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_prefix
Thanks, but yes, I used the appropriate prefix.
Double personality or you are acting as part of a troll team, with
quantumgravity (shiretoko) as your sidekick (and from what I see, with
few more showing their interests in joining you).
Hey man, are you the sheriff in here? Could you please provide some evidence
that you're the person in
În 2013-12-22 13:48, shiret...@web.de a scris:
Hey man, are you the sheriff in here? Could you please provide some
evidence that you're the person in charge for forum moderation?
Why do you think you have any authority in here?
I don't, Trisquel Community Guidelines have authority here.
The price has been raised by £20 again. Now
IBM Lenovo ThinkPad X60 (w/ coreboot) costs £218+
IBM Lenovo ThinkPad X60 (w/ coreboot) (w/o extras) costs £198+
Supply and demand. you know. Makes me happy to see an ethical business doing
well. Might buy me one when this current lapper dies.
They keep the prices coming up until they see that people will stop buying.
When that happens, they lower it a little bit again, and keep selling the
most units at the highest price. So, yeah, they will make tons of money from
people who want freedom, but a lot of people won't have freedom
Ahh, no I got it. Obviously the whole thing was a big misunderstanding. I
originally thought the most important thing for you is freedom in a digital
society.
But the biggest goal for you is the fsf endorsement.
(...) then this will make Trisquel lose it's
endorsement from FSF.
I don't see
Are i3, i5 and i7 processors of any generation not able to be endorsed?
Very tempted by the Gluglug X60, but the following concerns are preventing me
from purchasing one:
(1) It's not clear what measures Francis Rowe is taking with respect to CPU
microcode. There are three options:
(1A) Provide no microcode. BAD option, because of the serious bugs in Core
It's not clear what measures Francis Rowe is taking with respect to CPU
microcode.
http://www.gluglug.org.uk/contact/
The form requires a name, but you can use a fake one, such as Sudo Nymn.
It's funny, I checked your account... You barely do anything other than
posting in your own threads, not taking the time to actually answer any
questions of other users (I thought this forum was here to help people with
doubts and questions), yet you come here and say I am bored as if it was
Article on Gluglug laptop
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Gluglug-Laptops-Get-FSF-Respect-Your-Freedom-Certification
I agree; These laptops are probabaly in short supply, and people must decide
whether they are prepared to pay extra for a free BIOS.
A lot of that laptop are being sold on ebay for about £120. Clearly that
extra money is to pay for the effort he put into developing it.
În 2013-12-21 15:21, gnu...@lavabit.com a scris:
It's funny, I checked your account... You barely do anything other
than posting in your own threads, not taking the time to actually
answer any questions of other users
My activity on this forum is of no relevance to the topic. Violation of
One thing I have learned (though it took me some time to do so): Don't feed
the trolls.
Reading this comment of yours, I realized you are a troll. It's amazing I
hadn't realized it before, but finally this comment of yours was so full of
your self importance that I was able to see it. So,
I think it's about time someone puts the proverbial banhammer down on your
backside. All I see from the majority of your posts is constant whining and
name-calling.
You know what they say. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool
than to speak out and remove all doubt.
And you
În 2013-12-22 01:19, gnu...@lavabit.com a scris:
One thing I have learned (though it took me some time to do so): Don't
feed the trolls.
And I am following this path with you, feeding you all the way. But I
hope this will end well for this forum, with you banned from it.
So, this is the
What about Lenovo X201? When that will be available, RYF certified?
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTU0NDY
On a sidenote, the wifi card used in the Glu..something X60/s model contains
a bluetooth chip that does not work with free software. I know that because I
tested it
FYI. If you want something now, and with recent hardware (although a bit
blobby), get a Chromebook.
There are currently coreboot builds on my site for 5 models - Acer C710
(Sandybrige + Ivybridge variants), HP 14 (Sandybridge Feb 2013), Samsung
Series 5 550, and Pixel.
X201 has a ME.bin blob, like the one used for AMT. It doesn't work
without it (reboots after some time) and it's not clear for me if the
secondary embedded processors exception in the RYF criteria applies to
it (there are also the possible spying and backdoor issues). (Coreboot
contains a CPU
So Embedded Controller blob is allowed in RYF, but not Management Engine.
Am I correct? I doesn't have yet a notebook running coreboot, so I'm not
familiar with it, but I'm looking for a replacement for my R60, in form of
either the X60/s or X201 ThinkPad models, and this is a very important
This is what I'm saying too.
I recommend you the HP Chromebook 14 over the C720 model, since it has a
bigger screen, and is an overall better/more advantageous purchase, but since
it's a donation, I doesn't think you have much choice about what you will get
(if you can, go for Pixel :^P).
So Embedded Controller blob is allowed in RYF, but not Management
Engine. Am I correct?
Quite right. AMT is an entirely different beast than something that's limited
to detecting the laptop lid being opened/closed, etc.
All the recent Intel X86 laptops are too hard to liberate (although
Thanks for your comprehensive explanation. If I understand correctly, the
problem is with vPro. I made some research and found this:
- laptops in the X line of ThinkPad models has the CPU soldered on-board.
This comes as a shock to me, because I expected the processor to be
replaceable,
Awesome. When I'm in the market for a new laptop, I'll be ordering one.
All the recent Intel X86 laptops are too hard to liberate
How recent? 2010?
I was taking a read yesterday at the article on FSF website, and I was very
happy when I saw that they had recognized the work done by the glug shop.
HOWEVER, and I think this is important to say, unless my memory is playing a
trick on me, glug RAISED THE PRICES THE SAME DAY!
Now... I am not
The price nearly doubled since November:
IBM Lenovo ThinkPad X60 (w/ coreboot) (w/o extras) - from £99 to £178
IBM Lenovo ThinkPad X60 (w/ coreboot) - £119 to £198
Source:
http://web.archive.org/web/20131103030707/http://shop.gluglug.org.uk/product/ibm-lenovo-thinkpad-x60-coreboot/
Makes sense. If the price is too low, the guy's not going to be able to keep
up with the supply. Keep in mind that this is currently the only laptop with
the respects your freedom endorsement; that means that a lot of people are
going to want it.
When I saw it the first time, they were about 150. But maybe the price had
been changed before already.
Anyway, it's a very bad idea to raise the price exactly in that moment.
How much is that in USD?
Hum... excuse me, but how is having a lot of costumers a bad thing? -.^
I don't know how much he spends to get the laptops, but if he started selling
at 100 and is now near the 200, he sure is making use of the publicity to get
more and more profit margin. While that is not wrong in itself,
Use this:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gbp+to+usdt=trisquel
Selling more doesn't help if you don't have anything left to sell. So if the
demand is too high for you to supply, you raise the price, reducing the
demand.
So you make freedom available only for those who pay the highest price? -.-
as I have said, in a purely commercial view, I understand. They are selling a
service and an item, and they are entitled to make the price. And people are
free to choose if they want it or not. But I consider that we
În 2013-12-20 23:09, gnu...@lavabit.com a scris:
So you make freedom available only for those who pay the highest price?
-.-
I am bored with your arguments. People are used to pay more (much more)
for better marketed hardware (think of Apple's). This hardware is
intended for people who value
How hard/easy is it to DIY a coreboot X60?
Don't various models of LEMOTE laptop have free BIOS? Those may not be the
best laptops in the world, but shouldn't those have a respect your freedom
certificate?
Two words for you: fuck off
You are bored with my comments, but not with people who act like FSF parrots,
merely repeating everything they post on their website.
If you read my comments (can you read??) you will see that I am defending
their right to raise the prices, but that we should
Perhaps Lemote never tried to get them certified. Anyway, they are to hard to
obtain.
Probably. If we think about it, it was not IBM who got the certification, the
FSF gave it because of glug's work. So, maybe that is the reason, since there
are not a lot of places you can get lemote yeelong prepared with freebios and
such.
A problem with lemote is the fact that not every
https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/trisquel-community-guidelines
Maybe you should post those to the person above me.
Exactly :)
Debian and GNewsense (based on Debian) run it. Don't know other distros that
support it.
(again, it shows that more options bring freedom, kudos to Debian team)
Didn't know that. Cool :)
Can't imagine why they didn't endorse it then.
Lol, if I could afford it I guess I would make a collection of those
(yeloong, X60, etc) :P
FYI, I have reported your violation of all 3 rules of the Code of
Conduct. And proposed you get banned.
În 2013-12-20 23:54, gnu...@lavabit.com a scris:
they are here to make money and not to bring freedom to the masses.
As I see it, there are here for both reasons. The masses don't know
looking around on the coreboot wiki, doesn't look too hard. just don't screw
up.
and FYI I knew you would do just that, even before you did. That's how you
(and other people here) want things to be from now on. You want to trample
over users who bore you, without them having any chance of fighting back.
You want to put people out so you can be holier than the holy,
It's the Gluglug refurbished IBM ThinkPad X60.
http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/gluglug
haha, i just posted another topic with this same information, didn't see your
post.
Great minds think alike! :)
Here's the shop btw http://shop.gluglug.org.uk/
Happy days.
Nice!
Does this mean there's finally a computer RMS can use?
We published a press release, too:
http://www.fsf.org/news/gluglug-x60-laptop-now-certified-to-respect-your-freedom
@lloydsmart: This is the first laptop RMS would recommend people to buy and
use as is. RMS and the FSF have many machines that run only free software
(and user installable
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