This has been discussed before, and I'm aware that the people maintaining
this website and its forums probably have more pressing things to do with
their time (eg work on Trisquel 8 ;). However, for the record, I think it
would be good to have at least three forum areas:
* Trisquel help: a
Has there ever been any consideration to having topics within the forum
rather than having the single stream of consciousness we currently have?
Ubuntu's forums have topics like "Desktop Environments", "Security", or more
philosophical-like topics. Obviously we wouldn't need as many as
http://media.libreplanet.org/u/libby/m/stefano-zacchiroli/
If you watch this video, you will notice that Debian has always tried to
maintain a healthy environment on their development strategy, has freedom as
a main priority and have been trying to get the FSF endorsement for years.
They
i've just come from using debian to trisquel - because I wanted to support a
faif-distro. all i want for x-mas/grav-mas is a debian-stable fork with
non-free and contrib removed, and s/linux/linux-libre/ until debian removes
contrib/non-free (which i doubt will ever happen) there is no
one more thing: it is related to the thread itself. There are people who want
to ban users simply because they talk about non-free software. The problem
is, the definition of free software is a little too vague. For me Debian is
free, for other people it is not.
I started with Ubuntu 10.04, later moved to Mint 13, after that Trisquel 6
and now use Debian 7. On my way I also used some other distros in specific
ocasions (Tails and Puppy).
Debian:
-removing non-free/contrib: no need to remove something that is not there to
start with! If you already
În 2013-12-22 22:40, gnu...@lavabit.com a scris:
Also, as you can see in the link I posted above, those are not part
of Debian project.
Those repos are hosted at debian.org and official documentation at
debian.org recommends adding those repos and using proprietary software,
even when free
În 2013-12-22 22:43, gnu...@lavabit.com a scris:
one more thing: it is related to the thread itself. There are people
who want to ban users simply because they talk about non-free
software. The problem is, the definition of free software is a
little too vague. For me Debian is free, for other
I'm a newcomer and I have no idea what threads are you talking about. But if
the Trisqel community can't hold its viewpoint at home, on its own territory
without bullying and censorship (you can call that moderation) than what
chance does it stand outside with paid tech editors, advertising
How about personal filters for users?
If somebody feel buthurt, then somebody else criticize
RMS/FLOSS/Mother_Teresa, in that case her/she needs to add the person in
personal ignore list. IMHO, this is excellent alternative for forum
moderation.
Lots of open source supporters think of free software as being religious and
RMS as being like a messiah or something, but what's really funny is that
they say this, then they go around and just agree with whatever Torvalds
says. Meanwhile, in the free software movement, we have a lot of
global heating, which is a term that distorts the reality of the science
of climate change
The IPCC disagrees with you, see e.g.
http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/WGI_AR5_SPM_brochure.pdf (9
MB)
One of my big issues with this forum is the attack on permissive licenses
even though they are free software. Most of the people here want everything
to be GPL and will support it blindly even though it doesn't fit the scope of
many projects and is considered too restrictive by modern
my suggestion: rename, or specifically describe, the (en) users-forum as
technical support only! create a new OFFTOPIC forum for all discussion
topics, not directly related to technical support issues.
Probably would be better to actually start a Trisquel OS technical support
forum; and allow this way-out-there-in-la-la-land bashing party to be moved
into a back room, hidden from public view. :-)
Too many of the discussions are becoming laughable, and business people have
begun to drop
(I really hate to be the one saying this...)
Wow, man... calm down. I understand how you feel (you know damn well I do)
but you must consider the move you are making, it might not be the best one.
you see, the FORUM has a lot of problems, yes, and I am talking about
political/social
It's not that I'm planning to leave, maybe I expressed it wrong!
There are some intelligent people in here and though there are problems I
like (some of) the discussions and I hope things will somehow develop in the
right direction (away from cencorship and evangelism).
But I imagine how a
And if you're telling me that I'm overreacting maybe I should think about it
:D
Takes one to know the other :P
In the hope we can make this forum a better place, I have decided to change
the way I interact here a little bit... no more arguing. I state my views,
opinions, information,
Re: Debian and petty political arguments, please note the video mentioned
in this thread:
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/rms-2001-talked-about-1999-nsa-backdoor-ms-server-software
It shows how Stallman feels about Linux vs. GNU and why he feels that way.
Maybe watching that video will
Interesting, you talk like that simply because you take everything that comes
out of the FSF/RMS mouths as holy law, and want to impose that on others too.
You don't want anyone to question things, to say should it be this way?.
You remind me of 1984, the movie made in 1954 which is in public
Sure... so for you to go and suggest free software to someone should be a
crime too, right?
Listen guys... speaking up our mind, trying to give others what we believe
are the best principles, is no something that is wrong. Debate will always
bring a more clear idea and path in everyone's
you take everything that comes out of the FSF/RMS mouths as holy law
Hardly. No personal attacks please. Please don't take my agreement to mean I
don't think about the issues and come to the same conclusions. So agreeing
with the FSF makes sense in those cases.
My thoughts on forum moderation:
1. I personally prefer minimal moderation, but occasionally some is
required (see below for more on this)...
2. Excessive and off-topic posting can drown out other posts which is
essentially a form of censorship itself. Occasionally there are some
users that
Maybe a way to help this, is to have a new area for such debate.
I second grimlok's new area idea.
At the edges of any debate, there are things to consider, things to ponder.
It's uncomfortable there for everyone. However the struggle to express ideas
clarifies them.
Even though I see RMS's points, and agree with them, I have benefited from
reading
david said:
When situations start to get serious, or just delve into personal attacks, I
first try to contact the person individually to ask for a change of attitude,
and if that doesn't work as expected, more public measures are attempted
(probably the strongest one is right now about to
Users who want to promote proprietary software can go to the many other
proprietary software forums and promote it there.
Banning users that do not follow the rules is not censorship. No one's free
speech rights are impacted because they can say whatever they want
elsewhere.
If everyone has the same opinion like you, they can't state their opinion
anywhere except of their homes.
No matter how you argue: the
+1
Couldn't say it better myself.
As probably the closest to a 'moderator' in this forum, my personal stance
around these issues is to try and interfere as little as possible, since this
community is really excellent at dealing with controversial themes and
constructive discussion.
When situations start to get serious, or
Expecting communities to stay on topic and follow the rules is hardly too
much. Calling it censorship is just an attempt to make it sound more
dramatic, nothing more.
What... the... HELL???
Who the hell you think you are akirashinigami?? You want to come here and
start censoring other people, just because you don't like what they write?
Lol, nice way to kill a fanbase/community/whatever you want to call us.
As someone who has suffered censorship here in
And you should realize that evangelism is a word that is used many times as
spreading an idea, and not merely a religious idea. Basically it comes from
the fact that religious people are always ready to talk about their faith.
And yes, we are probably flagged by the NSA. I have already
GNUser, I understand your concern about censorship, but that is not at all
what I am trying to accomplish. Certainly, everyone is entitled to their
opinion and has a right to express it. However, Trisquel is an FSF-endorsed
free software project. As a community, we have specific interests
I manage one of the most popular freeware sites on the web. With our amount
of traffic we get around 50,000 attempts to spam daily and a pro-rata amount
of trolls, fan boys and other unwanted types in the comments sections and
forum. Our volunteer moderators are under constant fire and every
You talk as if you truly want to do the right thing, so let me explain to you
how you can do so. Don't. Just don't do it. It's very pretty to come here and
say I want to do what is the best for the community and I want a democratic
process, but in the end, once you have the power to ban
If your goal is to make a website which mechanically repeats everything the
fsf is telling, then go on with your cencorship debate.
If your goal is freedom in the digital society, then please sit down and
think for a minute about how ironic your behaviour is. You're achieving the
oposite
While I never claimed to be the first to come up with it, being FSF-endorsed
is actually pretty special. Only a handful of distributions have this
distinction, and with it comes certain obligations.
To be fair, I never claimed that anyone was encouraging the use of
proprietary software.
There is no reason that we should allow people to use our forums to actively
work against our goals.
I see ONLY one way to work against our goals via forum:
akirashinigami: FLOSS is the best!
Non-FLOSS_Agitator: FLOSS sucks, because volunteers are incompetent to make
any good software.
5.Non-free software is never a solution so please do not rationalize,
justify, or minimize the consequences of proposing non-free software as a
solution.
VERITAS SE IPSA DEFENDIT (Truth defends itself)
We've got people defending the development of proprietary software and
comparing software freedom to tyranny. This is unacceptable. Trisquel is an
FSF-endorsed distribution; there is no place for the expression of these
viewpoints on our forums.
These people need to go. Are there
Yes, god forbid someone expresses an opinion that differs from yours!
This is a Dictatorship all of them must be erradicated if not at least out of
here.
Hi, is this thread because of my thread? If so while I strongly disagree
with dudeski I don't think he should be prevented from posting because of his
viewpoint. I don't know him well enough to argue if he's done anything wrong
but it seems to me he hasn't done any wrong doings.
I don't think censorship is the right policy here, and I don't think this
forum has a duty to shield us from viewpoints that are not our own. Exchange
of ideas is good, not bad.
El 17/12/13 19:50, onp...@riseup.net escribió:
I don't think censorship is the right policy here, and I don't think
this forum has a duty to shield us from viewpoints that are not our
own. Exchange of ideas is good, not bad.
I agree. I think that politely asking people not to promote non-free
As a reminder, Trisquel does have community guidelines:
http://trisquel.info/en/wiki/trisquel-community-guidelines
In particular I'd like to point out #5 in the Guiding Principles. People that
repeatedly disregard the Community Guidelines, especially after having this
pointed out to them
I made this issue several days ago because of other annoying users which
should be banned (vPro)
http://trisquel.info/en/issues/10727
Censorship cannot pave the way to freedom.
(1) I think users/comments/propaganda that advocate non-free/proprietary
software and related stuff should be seen as an opportunity to further expand
and explain the values of freedom. We come across these ideas AFK too. And I
don't think we have
What about users like me, who either have or had questions about free
software? Would that be forbidden, too? I think some of this type of
discussion is necessary.
For mailing list users who can't see HTML links:
No wonder this site is under the NSA watch list for evangelism
No, not evangelism. Free software is not a religious movement. You realize
that https://stallman.org/saint.html is for humor only right?
Free software forums are notorious troll magnets. All kinds of trolls can be
found ranging from paid pro-proprietary software shills to rabid BSD freedom
fighters.
Ethics are difficult and people tend to get angry when confronted with moral
issues.
I'm all for discussing the themes
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