[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2018-01-16 Thread lcerf
Please read the thread, which had better stay dead imho. The lengthy discussion about systemd start here: https://trisquel.info/forum/fsf-adds-pureos-list-endorsed-gnulinux-distributions?page=1#comment-125187

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-30 Thread lcerf
About measures against cracking: journald has forward secure sealing, which is not perfect but is better than nothing: https://lwn.net/Articles/512895/ or https://eprint.iacr.org/2013/397.pdf for the math behind it.

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-29 Thread lcerf
Well, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obfuscation_(software) obfuscation is a "deliberate act", thus implying the existence of a more readable source code. You know: like JavaScript vs. minified JavaScript. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html (the free software

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-29 Thread lcerf
I would actually be very interested in discovering obfuscation in systemd's code. It would mean systemd is not free software and I would not use it! Do you know if Roy Marples affirms systemd's code is obfuscated?

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-29 Thread lcerf
Next time someone makes grave accusations, I will ask again for evidences. Facts matter. I refuse to live in a post-truth world.

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-29 Thread lcerf
Mindlessly? I show you facts contradicting what you say. You make grave accusations and cannot provide any evidence corroborating them. Who is mindless? Who is hostile?

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-29 Thread lcerf
Okay this I will say I have no idea of what your talking about due to my inexperience... I will admit you may know more about pulseaudio... So, basically, your "same reason on a larger scale of why people hate pulseaudio" was bullshit. Yes I meant, does it really make sense to make all

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-29 Thread lcerf
Well first, thank you for not criticizing me for my disagreements Groundless accusations are not "disagreements". Pointless dependencies do nothing to help the cause of free software after all. What dependencies are pointless? Please, be serious: show us a changelog (or a commit) that

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-29 Thread lcerf
Openrc sysvinit and systemd weren't all the options that they should have chose from. Upstart and Runit could have easily have been picked as well. Upstart was the main contender. I wrote that. Runit was not among the options the Debian technical committe considered. If you would click on

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-29 Thread lcerf
I dunno about that being true, if someone wants to maintain it why is that a problem? It is not "someone" but all developers maintaining packages of services started at init. it has to do with the same reason on a larger scale of why people hate pulseaudio. What reason? Some

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-29 Thread lcerf
That video would be hilarious both in its form (anonymous-like voice speaking on images of Poettering in flames!) and its content (sysvinit does not need a replacement and systemd is a conspiracy!)... if only people would not actually blindly believe such bullshit.

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-28 Thread lcerf
Debian was actually the last major GNU/Linux to adopt a modern init system by default. There has to be a default. And it is a lot of work to maintain init scripts or several init systems, especially sysvinit's horrible Shell scripts. Debian's technical committee *decided* through vote

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-28 Thread lcerf
I will budge if you show me examples of obfuscation in systemd's code. On the contrary, if your accusation are groundless, then I will not budge. That is apparently the case, what makes you a lier who is happy (since you will not budge) to live in a post-truth world where facts do not

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-28 Thread lcerf
I already gave you my links and they are indeed accurate. Where is the link showing obfuscated code in systemd's source? I have presented enough evidence. No, you have not. When someone writes "Obfuscated code is why I don't trust [systemd]. They intentionally make it hard to read.", he

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-28 Thread lcerf
Please be serious: either show us obfuscated functions in systemd's code or do not reply (especially not with more bullshit).

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-28 Thread lcerf
I also think this does not do any good to the free software community to argue over things that have been proven again and again. No, they have not. I repeat: "Please be serious: either show us obfuscated functions in systemd's code or do not reply (especially not with more bullshit)".

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-27 Thread lcerf
I am tired about talking to haters who only propagate bullshit. Anyway: If systemd's code is obfuscated, show us at least one example of an obfuscated function; Your "especially this" reason is an issue that was fixed the day the day after it was reported (

[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions

2017-12-27 Thread lcerf
Ututo does not look dead: http://www.ututo.org/downloads/Candidato-Ututo-2017-UL.iso