I disagree, there's no need to go too far.
A menu, maybe a dock, that's all that's needed IMO. As long as most basic
features commmon to any os are identifiable in some way, it's all good.
Why are you so aggressive? Chill.
I ignored your main point because I was answering to lembas, about
useability.
If practical, your main point is interesting. Here, happy?
From the start I say that it's wrong to focus only on what we like. What I
like the most is neither gnome nor mate.
true, but if the said usability need a learning curve, even a slight one,
it's dissuasive for a new average user.
To me, for this specific audience, usability and familiarity go hand in hand.
Interesting! You are probably right. Personally, even though I've used
GNU/Linux for 14 years, I came to Trisquel via the rms and GNU. Strictly
because of the free software issue.
It would be interesting if somebody posted a thread asking how people came to
use Trisquel. Maybe I'll post
Well most people coming to Trisquel are coming from Windows or MacOS, so if
you want it familiar to them you'll need to make Trisquel like those other
OSes.
Bad idea.
LOL
I would think that most people come from another GNU/Linux distribution.
I think this would be a good idea as the default has to be for new users.
Once people get more familiar with the system they can customize the user
interface to their liking. On the other hand people confuse usable with
familiar as pointed out in this thread...
Exactly! I remember back in the day when I read Jakob Nielsen's books on
usability for websites, when I learned two main things:
1.) Designers/developers/CEOs find it difficult to turn the focus from what
they want, to what users want.
2.) To truly understand usability requires research. We
"As long as most basic features commmon to any os are identifiable in some
way"
Not exactly actionable. Pretty vague. Of course our OS will have some things
in common. You were saying that the whole experience should feel familiar.
I disagree. The whole experience should be usable. If
Depends on the goal I'd say.
My take is the flagship of the distro should definitely show improvements,
but still a tiny bit of familiarity. As you can see, it doesn't take much to
do so with Gnome 3.
It matters because to me, one of the main points is reaching new users. And
you know what
Precision is important, so I'll say familiar instead then, thanks.
My point still remains: as much as I enjoy gnome-shell, I think the stock
experience should be (a bit) more familiar to gain a wider audience.
All it takes is a couple of plugins installed by default. I'm thinking of the
Raskin again:"But if superior, it cannot be the same, so it must be different
(typically the greater the improvement, the greater the difference).
Therefore it cannot be intuitive, that is, familiar."
Gnome 3 is superior to Mate hands tied. The wyestion is do we want
familiarity or
'Intuitive' usually means 'like Windows 95'.
It would be great if we could get information from new users. For instance,
if there were some kind of public event and people can walk by our 'table'
and try GNOME 3 or try MATE. Like the old taste test commercials with coke
and pepsi! Otherwise, the very fact that some people here like
Oh it's mate then? That means the related issues are probably dealt with.
Well, gnome-shell is a few clics away. But I gladly admit that the
out-of-the-box gnome-shell experience is not intuitive.
Wow, no one answered the question. You all suck.
Since Trisquel 8 is using MATE, that means the look could be similar to the
Gnome 2 versions if the themes from the 4.x and 5.x releases are used and
updated. Who is working on the look for T8!? I'd love to see pics of how it's
looking at this point.
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