Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7: Metacity/Compiz

2014-12-21 Thread rainteller
Thanks, very helpful. Do you know how can I switch between window managers? I can't find it in system settings.

Re: [Trisquel-users] gnome using non-free javascript??

2014-12-21 Thread onpon4
Neither. If you look at the script LibreJS complains about, you'll see a clear license notice at the top. It's a libre script. But LibreJS depends on certain stylized comment to detect this, and the script doesn't use that. I don't think this system of automatically loading JavaScript onto

Re: [Trisquel-users] Review of FSF High Priority Projects list -- your input is needed

2014-12-21 Thread shiretoko
For me, Libreboot and Replicant come to mind. They are both so damn important and have severe problems (replicant doesn't support a single device with working wifi, libreboot is limited to very few mainboards). Besides, I immediately think of reverse engineering of wireless card firmware.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Season's Greetings

2014-12-21 Thread maestro
this is one of my favourite cds - top 50!! We are the Priests of the Temples of Syrinx Our great computers fill the hallowed halls...

[Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel 7: Metacity/Compiz

2014-12-21 Thread lcerf
Take a look at those two threads: https://trisquel.info/fr/forum/desktop-freezes-when-trying-use-compiz-trisquel-7 https://trisquel.info/fr/forum/bring-compizs-animations-add-back-aka-compiz-plugins-extra-solved

Re: [Trisquel-users] Review of FSF High Priority Projects list -- your input is needed

2014-12-21 Thread maestro
I have javascript always turned off but rarely I need it so I temporarely enable it on a website when it is absolutely necessary. Tried using librejs on several for a few days - it never worked. it is full of bugs and it makem me wanna pull off my hair.. It would be very nice if it worked

Re: [Trisquel-users] Librem 15: A Free/Libre and Open Source Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms

2014-12-21 Thread Michał Masłowski
They write about run[ning] unsigned BIOS code. Chromebook and Thinkpad users can easily do this by flashing a build of upstream coreboot. signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [Trisquel-users] Review of FSF High Priority Projects list -- your input is needed

2014-12-21 Thread onpon4
I think this, too. Also, I think there should be a variant of a Web browser that executes JavaScript, but only (by default) loads stuff locally, off your own disk, not from servers. This type of thing should be how we run HTML/JavaScript applications (what people tend to call Web

Re: [Trisquel-users] gnome using non-free javascript??

2014-12-21 Thread onpon4
Those two one-line scripts are just loading require.js, which states: @license RequireJS 2.0.1 Copyright (c) 2010-2012, The Dojo Foundation All Rights Reserved. Available via the MIT or new BSD license. see: http://github.com/jrburke/requirejs for details MIT license refers to the Expat

[Trisquel-users] openmailbox

2014-12-21 Thread maestro
just received an e-mail from openmailbox - the good news is the free storage is now 1 gb. Nice!! Hello, All new accounts now come with 1GB free email storage and old accounts has been upgraded. By the way, I would be interested by having some users reviews, you can just do it by

[Trisquel-users] Tor Browser, Javascript and the element inspector

2014-12-21 Thread shiretoko
First: merry christmas, or gravmass, or happy holiday in general to everyone! Since Torbrowser improved a lot recently i found that i want to do most of my normal webbrowsing with it. I do just uninteresting stuff nobody cares about, but i consider it to be one of the biggest attacks on my

Re: [Trisquel-users] openmailbox

2014-12-21 Thread shiretoko
Wow, I can sign up an account with Tor! I looked for something like this for the last years? Thanks!

Re: [Trisquel-users] gnome using non-free javascript??

2014-12-21 Thread tomlukeywood
ok thanks for clarifying

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's Hello

2014-12-21 Thread jpl
Well, it comes with Abrowser. If it's not Free Software, Abrowser isn't, either.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's Hello

2014-12-21 Thread kepeken
I've read quickly and found no great explicit worries. But we still need to take a more close attention, as I am not expert on legal reading so may be a small line compromising the project. And also because Hello relies on OpenTok by TokBox to work.

[Trisquel-users] best libre webserver

2014-12-21 Thread tomlukeywood
hello i run 2 webservers both on raspberry pi's (raspbian with the non-free and contrid repo's disabled) and as the pi uses non-free software to boot i am trying to find a alternative dose anyone know of a computer similair to the pi? that has low power consumption and is around as powerfull?

Re: [Trisquel-users] openmailbox

2014-12-21 Thread kepeken
I also like that openmailbox offers a owncloud service for free. I just wanted 2GB instead of 1GB, although I wonder how hard it is to offer so much space without being one of the big companies offering tracked-based ads. By the way, openmailbox is still needing more donations for the 2015

Re: [Trisquel-users] Tor Browser, Javascript and the element inspector

2014-12-21 Thread gnuser
Hey there quantumgravity. Well, being myself a user who uses TBB as the default browser for a long time now, I can totally say that it's a fine browsing experience, and you won't really miss anything. Just be careful, it might get addictive ;) Also, it's not just the browser that got

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is tails a libre os?

2014-12-21 Thread gnuser
well, it was a two different questions in one thing. 1. Can I get different pieces and make them work together (as in connect a GPU and WIFI and MOtherboard that were not supposed to work together)? 2. Can I create a graphics card or a wireless card? As in, create it myself? Make the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's Hello

2014-12-21 Thread shiretoko
Since 1. you can use the service without any non-free software installed on your computer 2. it's not SaaSS 3. the conversations are obviously end-to-end encrypted the license of the software running on their servers is a minor concern. It would be nice if they released the code, but it's not

Re: [Trisquel-users] Librem 15: A Free/Libre and Open Source Laptop That Respects Your Essential Freedoms

2014-12-21 Thread maestro
:)

Re: [Trisquel-users] openmailbox

2014-12-21 Thread noordinaryspider
I'm not able to send from my OpenMailbox account today, but I sent in my donation anyway because the cloud service alone is worth it to me.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does my system take too long to shut down/reboot?

2014-12-21 Thread noordinaryspider
Thank you, Supertramp83. I have been having the same problem in my mini install but not on my regular Trisquel or my command line only install and kind of blew it off as something I was just going to have to live with because it was a bug in the alpha release. Glad to know it's actually an

Re: [Trisquel-users] Season's Greetings

2014-12-21 Thread noordinaryspider
I have never worked in IT, but running free software for my personal use has gotten me through some times when I might otherwise have thrown up my hands, crawled into a cave, and spent the rest of my life hating the entire human race. My little joke with normies is, It's not a religion OR

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's Hello

2014-12-21 Thread davesamcdxv
Can it communicate with the likes of SIP accounts?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Sometimes the GNOME panel doesn't load in Trisquel 6.0

2014-12-21 Thread mikokiko89
It didn't crash after I'd entered gnome-panel in the terminal but I got this: Panel leaving: a new panel shell is starting. (gnome-panel:2003): EggSMClient-CRITICAL **: egg_sm_client_set_mode: assertion `global_client == NULL || global_client_mode == EGG_SM_CLIENT_MODE_DISABLED' failed

Re: [Trisquel-users] Sometimes the GNOME panel doesn't load in Trisquel 6.0

2014-12-21 Thread mikokiko89
Can I keep launching panel from terminal repeatedly till it crashes or just once after starting up the system. Can I stop the process and relaunch it again if that is a good idea at all?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Review of FSF High Priority Projects list -- your input is needed

2014-12-21 Thread onpon4
I think that would be fine, but only if accepting a script caused it to be stored permanently, like a user script, and with proper controls to determine whether and from what source it should auto-update, again, like a user script.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Why does my system take too long to shut down/reboot?

2014-12-21 Thread maestro
you are welcome heather :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] openmailbox

2014-12-21 Thread maestro
heather - I like icedove with the enigmail plugin. It works great with openmailbox. give it a try maybe

Re: [Trisquel-users] Lenovo T-61 too old for Belenos?

2014-12-21 Thread noordinaryspider
OP here with an update--might as well stick to Heather for a username since I've already outed myself as a middle aged low-socioeconomic status female and not been flamed off the boards. My T-61 is now running Belenos natively just fine and is only slightly less zippy than it was with

Re: [Trisquel-users] Season's Greetings

2014-12-21 Thread maestro
to continue on the topic - after 20 or 30 dumb or mean Joes I meet around I get to meet one Joe or Jane that is not stupid or mean at all and I decide that humans can be good and life can be good.. Be the change you want to see in the world and do NOT choose the easy path but the tough one

Re: [Trisquel-users] openmailbox

2014-12-21 Thread me
If this doesn't go through from Sylpheed, I think I'll do that. Thanks for the tip!

Re: [Trisquel-users] openmailbox

2014-12-21 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
Hehe

Re: [Trisquel-users] Review of FSF High Priority Projects list -- your input is needed

2014-12-21 Thread onpon4
I have. He expressed disagreement: That would be ideal from our point of view, but it would mean more compromise or inconvenience for the service developers. (They want to distribute JS code so that the service will work automatically for ordinary users.) In practice, some of them do

Re: [Trisquel-users] Review of FSF High Priority Projects list -- your input is needed

2014-12-21 Thread shiretoko
Honestly, if rms talks about *practicle* problems with your approach, it's really time to give it some serious thoughts. That said, I think you are exaggerating the problem. I can't think of any situation that requires interactivity in a Web page, and many websites do work just fine as

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's Hello

2014-12-21 Thread jason
the license of the software running on their servers is a minor concern. It would be nice if they released the code, but it's not a necessity. There's a strong ethical obligation to share, especially for something that would be generally useful. Please don't try to present it as it would be

Re: [Trisquel-users] Review of FSF High Priority Projects list -- your input is needed

2014-12-21 Thread onpon4
You say that he's exaggerating the problem but honestly it's more that you're doing the opposite, probably because you're too much focusing on your own browsing habits. What situations are you thinking of that require interactivity in a Web page beyond what the browser provides on its own?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Review of FSF High Priority Projects list -- your input is needed

2014-12-21 Thread shiretoko
Require in a technical sense like can't be done without javascript: none. Require as in won't run today without javascript: an aweful lot. I gave it some thought and agree with rms even more. You're proposal is completely beyond any practicability. Who is supposed to write all the replacements

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's Hello

2014-12-21 Thread shiretoko
That's right, and I still disagree with you; I already pointed out the implications of your logic. Do you want to require *any* webserver to free their code from now on? You can't tell other people what software they run on their computers, and you can't force them to share the code. You

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's Hello

2014-12-21 Thread jpl
No- it uses WebRTC. I just tried it out today. It runs like magic. I used two laptops (Each with the latest Abrowser and Trisquel 7), and Hello worked perfectly.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's Hello

2014-12-21 Thread jpl
I'm inclined to agree with Quantum. It is not an obligation for the server host to release the code they use, as long as it's possible to develop your own server by filling in the holes and reading the client's source code. If for some reason this is impossible, then there is a problem. But,

Re: [Trisquel-users] Review of FSF High Priority Projects list -- your input is needed

2014-12-21 Thread onpon4
I want to point something else out: Freedom is our reason for wanting to do something about JavaScript, but there are other reasons to reject JavaScript on the Web that other groups can get behind: security, privacy, and simplicity. The EFF could be a massive ally here, for example. With

Re: [Trisquel-users] Review of FSF High Priority Projects list -- your input is needed

2014-12-21 Thread jpl
I'd say- Replicant drivers as well as support for newer devices (Most people give you a crazy look when you suggest an S2) and Libreboot.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's Hello

2014-12-21 Thread jason
I've at no point said it's an obligation, only that it should be presented with a stronger argument that it would be preferable if they did or in an ideal world, they would. Those are not strong enough. Sharing is good, and sharing the software that they make would be a contribution to

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's Hello

2014-12-21 Thread legimet . calc
I've at no point said it's an obligation In your previous post, you said, There's a strong ethical obligation to share, especially for something that would be generally useful.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's Hello

2014-12-21 Thread jason
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something. Yes, ethics and legality are different issues too. Ethically, they should. In doing so they can make a contribution to society. Legally they don't have to. What's right and what's legal aren't always the same thing. (It really is too bad that the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's Hello

2014-12-21 Thread legimet . calc
I think this whole discussion was about an ethical obligation, not a legal one (which obviously there isn't)

[Trisquel-users] If Chromebooks retail for $250 and have free-BIOSes ...

2014-12-21 Thread adel . afzal
Could someone make a business of buying Chromebooks and selling them free-software ready? https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/chromebook http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/chromebook_pixel_linux.txt

Re: [Trisquel-users] Abrowser's Hello

2014-12-21 Thread davesamcdxv
It can't? A bit of a forum flame war waiting to happen then (surely a forum somewhere will have a WebRTC v. SIP discussion, right?)

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Chromebooks retail for $250 and have free-BIOSes ...

2014-12-21 Thread jason
There are challenges in meeting the FSF's RYF criteria: https://fsf.org/ryf

Re: [Trisquel-users] If Chromebooks retail for $250 and have free-BIOSes ...

2014-12-21 Thread jpl
Sure, someone could. However, based on the wiki page, it seems that the freedom aspect of the Chromebook Pixel is questionable at this point. I'll try to pick one up and take a look inside.