Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
I think that your confusion is with copyright and copyleft work and how licenses apply to software. You seem to be under the impression that the license applies to only binaries, but it applies to the source code. Having access to the source code does not allow you to use, modify, or distribute it under a different license. If that were that case the GPL would be useless, because someone could redistribute GPL-licensed software under a proprietary license. If you use, modify, or distribute proprietary software as if it were GPL-licensed, you will be breaking the law. This might clarify some things: https://www.gnu.org/copyleft/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
The down and dirty explanation for my nine year old, as far as reverse engineering Minetest texture packs and other little kid stuff, is that if you don't see the GPL, it's proprietary so hands off. Of course I have a deeper understanding when I've had my coffee. ;) There are other licenses, of course, but one of the advantages of Trisquel over Mint for "average joes" like myself and my family is that we don't have to worry about licensing. And let's face it, when we are under stress or losing our tempers about trolls is when we are most likely to make mistakes. It's not a joke when I say that switching from as-free-as-I-could-make-it-at-the-time Ubuntu to Trisquel when I did probably saved me from violating copyright laws in my country, getting caught, and getting my half-educated self in a lot of trouble. Having licensing issues taken care of by trustworthy individuals gives us the space to learn, grow, and in some cases become hackers themselves and give back to the community. It's great to see so many new-to-Gnu people posting lately as well as new-to-Trisquel people.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
I of course know how a free and copyleft license works, our GPL is notable one, you are licensed which you must fully protect freedom and must restrict nothing, must stand firm against every back-doors and every surveillances. But I honestly dunno how free but permissive licenses (like BSD clauses) and nonfree licenses (like m$) work.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
Thank you. I just can't bring myself to install Mint, but my peeps may well be a lot more vulnerable than your peeps, ergo my (sometimes ever verging on irrational) passion for Trisquello, despite my blase ho hum irreverent attitude towards the achievements of the illustrious Senor Poettering and curiosity about more challenging projects to tinker with. We do live in interesting times.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
>I never particularly liked Linux Mint As much as I'd dislike having in it on a computer that I own (not gonna happen) even more so I like it installed on a mate's computer: it really is the only distro my semi-illiterate mates NEVER have any issue, give credit where it's due..
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
Hi gd_scandia, I remember doing that. I never particularly liked Linux Mint, but I did a bunch of small newbie friendly distros like Simply Mepis, LXLE, AntiX, etc. on VMs whenever I got frustrated by all the trolls on the Trisquel boards my first year or so in the community. I guess it was good for blowing off steam, but not much else. You get over it; there are more efficient ways to utilize your resources. Looks like others have got your back as far as the reasons why that doesn't work the same way they had mine. Sort of makes goosebumps run up and down your spine, like the little green sprouts that poke up through the cracks in the pavement, reaching for the sun, still believing that life could turn out to be something beautiful. But I digress.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
"Suspectedly" is not a word, so that doesn't help at all. What do you mean by "suspectedly written"? > Of course you cant relicense their binaries, but if they are the sources? No difference. It's still copyrighted. Copyright works on all works, not just compiled binaries. > unless this is prohibited against the original license. You don't understand how licenses work. Licenses grant you permission to do something. It's copyright which prohibits certain actions, and copyright is automatic.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
That doesn't make sense to me either. What are you talking about?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
"Licenses which are suspectedly written". Of course you cant relicense their binaries, but if they are the sources? Sources mean where you make a derivative, of course you are free to license you this work under GPL, unless this is prohibited against the original license.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
"Taking denials against one" is antonym against "taking credits for him".
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
You can't relicense code you don't hold the copyright to. What does "licenses suspectedly written to us" mean?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
"freeware" and "free software" are not the same thing. "Freeware" typically refers to software which is available at no charge. I don't know what you mean by "take denials against Torvalds".
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
Do you mean that, nonfreeware packages those aren’t blobs should be mostly ‘‘nonfree’’ due to their licenses suspectedly written to us? If so we should need to re-license these nonfreeware sources under GPL to be free software?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
You won't find a silver bullet that that magically removes all non-free packages and leaves you with a working system. Even if you used deblob-check to test all source code for blobs and found that everything flagged is either unnecessary or can be rebuilt with the blobs removed, you would still have to research the licenses, as they can't be automatically detected from the source code. I'm sure that there are other challenges I'm unaware of. If an arbitrary OS could be liberated in a day there would be a Trisquel release immediately after each Ubuntu release.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
vrms doesn't work on Linux Mint. Mint uses its own packages which are jumbled in sections with no regard to whether they're libre or not, and those sections are what vrms depends on to work.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
The vrms program will analyze the set of currently-installed packages on a Debian system, and report all of the packages from the non-free tree (and, optionally, from contrib) which are currently installed. The vrms package is however somewhat misleading since its name suggests it has to do with RMS while it in facts follows the Debian definition of free. For example things under the GFDL are considered non-free by Debian and free by RMS. Said the FSF directories. But what are mistaken not approving vrms under GNU or FSF? This directory has not explicitly told what are mistaken, what are the (possible) conflicts between GPL and DFSG? Because of the nonfree Debian kernels Debian has no policies against nonfree drivers and firmware, but yes against nonfree front ends outside DFSG. Why vrms still cant be approved under GNU and FSF?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
Hi gd_scania, FYI, vrms follows Debian's definitions of free software rather than that of the GNU project.[1] Richard M Stallman ** DOES NOT ** agree with many of the views expressed by the program's output. Free Software Foundation lists vrms among packages that don't respect its Free System Distribution Guidelines.[2] In my earlier days with Debian GNU/Linux, I too had installed the package, thinking it was a tool to liberate my computer. Later I understood my mistake and promptly removed it from my installation. DON'T think that simply removing those packages proposed by vrms will make your Linux Mint free/liberated like a magic! References: [1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnewsense-users/2007-02/msg00027.html [2] http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#vrms
[Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!
hd-sca...@users.sf.net, [15.10.17 14:12] [Forwarded from hd-sca...@users.sf.net] hd_scania@hardened ~ $ aptitude search vrms p vrms - virtual Richard M. Stallman hd_scania@hardened ~ $ sudo apt install -y vrms && sudo vrms Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following NEW packages will be installed: vrms 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 302 not upgraded. Need to get 12.5 kB of archives. After this operation, 39.9 kB of additional disk space will be used. Get:1 tor+http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 vrms all 1.18 [12.5 kB] Fetched 12.5 kB in 1s (9,020 B/s) Selecting previously unselected package vrms. (Reading database ... 235533 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../apt/archives/vrms_1.18_all.deb ... Unpacking vrms (1.18) ... Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ... Setting up vrms (1.18) ... Non-free packages installed on hardened.mint atmel-firmware Firmware for Atmel at76c50x wireless networking chips. bluez-firmware Firmware for Bluetooth devices firmware-atherosBinary firmware for Atheros wireless cards firmware-bnx2 Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtremeII firmware-bnx2x Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtreme II 10Gb firmware-brcm80211 Binary firmware for Broadcom 802.11 wireless cards firmware-intelwimax Binary firmware for Intel WiMAX Connection firmware-ipw2x00Binary firmware for Intel Pro Wireless 2100, 2200 and firmware-ivtv Binary firmware for iTVC15-family MPEG codecs (ivtv an firmware-iwlwifiBinary firmware for Intel Wireless cards firmware-libertas Binary firmware for Marvell Libertas 8xxx wireless car firmware-linux Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kerne firmware-linux-nonfree Binary firmware for various drivers in the Linux kerne firmware-qlogic Binary firmware for QLogic IBA7220, QLA1xxx, ISP2xxx a firmware-ralink Binary firmware for Ralink wireless cards firmware-realtekBinary firmware for Realtek wired and wireless network Contrib packages installed on hardened.mint virtualbox-guest-dkms x86 virtualization solution - guest addition module so virtualbox-guest-utils x86 virtualization solution - non-X11 guest utilities virtualbox-guest-x11x86 virtualization solution - X11 guest utilities hd-sca...@users.sf.net, [15.10.17 14:12] [Forwarded from hd-sca...@users.sf.net] 16 non-free packages, 0.7% of 2166 installed packages. 3 contrib packages, 0.1% of 2166 installed packages. hd_scania@hardened ~ $ sudo apt purge -sy atmel-firmware bluez-firmware firmware-atheros firmware-bnx2 firmware-bnx2x firmware-brcm80211 firmware-intelwimax firmware-ipw2x00 firmware-ivtv firmware-iwlwifi firmware-libertas firmware-linux firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-qlogic firmware-ralink firmware-realtek virtualbox-guest-dkms virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-x11 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: atmel-firmware* bluez-firmware* firmware-atheros* firmware-bnx2* firmware-bnx2x* firmware-brcm80211* firmware-intelwimax* firmware-ipw2x00* firmware-ivtv* firmware-iwlwifi* firmware-libertas* firmware-linux* firmware-linux-nonfree* firmware-qlogic* firmware-ralink* firmware-realtek* virtualbox-guest-dkms* virtualbox-guest-utils* virtualbox-guest-x11* 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 19 to remove and 299 not upgraded. Purg atmel-firmware [1.3-4] Purg bluez-firmware [1.2-3] Purg firmware-atheros [0.43] Purg firmware-bnx2 [0.43] Purg firmware-bnx2x [0.43] Purg firmware-brcm80211 [0.43] Purg firmware-intelwimax [0.43] Purg firmware-ipw2x00 [0.43] Purg firmware-ivtv [0.43] Purg firmware-iwlwifi [0.43] Purg firmware-libertas [0.43] Purg firmware-linux [0.43] Purg firmware-linux-nonfree [0.43] Purg firmware-qlogic [0.43] Purg firmware-ralink [0.43] Purg firmware-realtek [0.43] Purg virtualbox-guest-dkms [4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1] Purg virtualbox-guest-x11 [4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1] Purg virtualbox-guest-utils [4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1] hd_scania@hardened ~ $ sudo apt purge -y atmel-firmware bluez-firmware firmware-atheros firmware-bnx2 firmware-bnx2x firmware-brcm80211 firmware-intelwimax firmware-ipw2x00 firmware-ivtv firmware-iwlwifi firmware-libertas firmware-linux firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-qlogic firmware-ralink firmware-realtek virtualbox-guest-dkms virtualbox-guest-utils virtualbox-guest-x11 && vrms Reading package lists... Done Building dependency
