Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-05-13 Thread ianme0
Very interesting topic! I want to buy a new laptop and, in these days, I'm thinking the same things... I know little about eletronics, I read the link that says what are the Companies that sell computers with GNU/Linux preinstalled, ( https://www.gnu.org/links/companies.en.html ), maybe a

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-05-13 Thread amenex
Early in my career, I realized that changing jobs meant moving to a new domicile, and that the higher rent would consume most of my improved income, so I jumped off that runaway train. Now we're seeing a similar situation in computers, with an arms race between hardware and software

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-05 Thread davesamcdxv
Depends on how close the EFF comes to such an organisation, I guess.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-05 Thread davidvargas1
It is good to read and research for what will good for you. But sometimes all the logical advise is a bit irrational, suffering dementia, and Illogical. Why? Because, your patience, eagerness and specially your financial budget will dictate what you could afford. Regardless of the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-05 Thread svhaab
Thank you for the answers. The stated links I had already read. And I know that gluglug computers are not free hardware. On this forum in another post I have asked what to call hardware that is not free but all software it has installed is? I did not get a clear answer. tonlee - I think you

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-05 Thread maestro
yes. I used a wrong definition. But you know what I meant by it - a laptop with no proprietary bios and no proprietary firmware, and possibly something that is not as outdated as the x200 which is a laptop made 7 years ago!! cheers

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-05 Thread onpon4
The FSF doesn't judge hardware based on whether or not it's malicious, but rather, on whether or not you are not being restricted from exercising control over your computing. Firmware being burnt into a ROM is not a gratuitous restriction like Microsoft's refusal to give the source code to

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-05 Thread tomlukeywood
true dose anyone know how much money you need to make your own cpu/gpu/wifi card??

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-05 Thread davesamcdxv
What the FSF says, as far as I know is not that It's free if it can't be updated. I think they said something like, if it can't be tweaked, it can be counted as hardware, and since we specialise in software.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-05 Thread tomlukeywood
is there as FHF(free hardware foundation) then? maby one day 3d printing will get good enough so we can print are own cpu firmware but until then what exactly can we do about spy-ware other than don’t connect to any internet?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-05 Thread shiretoko
In a pre-electronical age, owning a machine raised no ethical issues since you could study its mechanisms and make sure that it's not mistreating you. Think of a wheelbarrow for instance. 1. The owner could check how it works 2. It was technically very limited when it comes to possibly harming

[Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-04 Thread svhaab
If a device or piece of hardware uses non free firmware, but the firmware cannot be updated, then fsf can approve the hardware, correct? Or does it only apply for hardware that cannot connect to the internet? Why would fsf accept that? If no user can read the firmware source code, then it

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-04 Thread Michał Masłowski
How is it different from hardware implementing backdoors in circuits, with no firmware? signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-04 Thread maestro
I think the greatest priority is to build completely libre hardware as the gluglug's thinkpads. We already have plenty of free software distros to choose from. Having a modern (really modern - not a 2008 laptop) laptop for a reasonable price to buy today would be the greatest thing for us!

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-04 Thread maestro
tonlee - I think you are talking about the difference between flashable and non-flashable hardware. The first is a concern because it implies you installing non-free software. The second is considered just hardware as nothing updates nor gets installed by the user (although having

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-04 Thread tomlukeywood
libre hardware is sort of a separate issue but i think its almost as important to have libre hardware as it is software for security and privacy just because it is a circuit and not software dose not means its ok dose it? if a non-free program can spy on the user and a circuit can spy on the

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-04 Thread t8mf4nu6lizp
I think there are two distinctions here we need to keep in mind hardware - software and free - spywareless

Re: [Trisquel-users] Explain why fsf says that hardware with firmware that cannot be updated is free software?

2015-02-04 Thread lloyd
The Gluglugs are NOT free hardware. They are just computers that are able to exclusively run fully free software. Other computers make this impossible. The gluglugs are therefore a vast improvement over other computers that prevent free software from being used, but they are not free